Skip Navigation

Bulletins and News Discussion from December 9th to December 15th, 2024 - Assad Must Go

Image is of Assad and his family.


After less than two weeks of retreating with few shots fired and little resistance, the SAA has retreated into, well, a state of non-existence. This thereby ends a conflict that has been simmering for over a decade. With the end of this conflict, another begins: the carving up of what used to be Syria between Israel and Turkey, with perhaps the odd Syrian faction getting a rump state here and there. Both Israel and Turkey have begun military operations, with Israel working on expanding their territory in Syria and bombing military bases to ensure as little resistance as possible.

Israeli success in Syria is interesting to contrast against their failures in Gaza and Lebanon. A short time ago, Israel failed to make significant territorial progress in Lebanon due to Hezbollah's resistance despite the heavy hits they had recently taken, and was forced into a ceasefire with little to show for the manpower and equipment lost and the settlers displaced. The war with Lebanon was fast, but still slow enough to allow a degree of analysis and prediction. In contrast, the sheer speed of Syria's collapse has made analysis near-impossible beyond obvious statements like "this is bad" and "Assad is fucking up"; by the time a major Syrian city had fallen, you barely had time to digest the implications before the next one was under threat.

There is still too much that we don't know about the potential responses (and non-responses) of other countries in the region - Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, and Russia, for example. I think that this week and the next will see a lot of statements made by various parties and an elucidation of how the conflict will progress. The only thing that seems clear is that we are in the next stage of the conflict, and perhaps have been, in retrospect, since Nasrallah's assassination. This stage has been and will be far more chaotic as the damage to Israel compounds and they are willing to take greater and greater risks to stay in power. It will also involve Israel causing destruction all throughout the region, rather than mostly localizing it in Gaza and southern Lebanon. Successful gambles like with Syria may or may not outweigh the unsuccessful ones like with Lebanon. This is a similar road to the one apartheid South Africa took, but there are also too many differences to say if the destination will be the same.

What is certain is that Assad's time in power can be summarized as a failure, both to be an effective leader and to create positive economic conditions. His policies were actively harmful to internal stability for no real payoff and by the end, all goodwill had been fully depleted. By the end, the SAA did not fight back; not because of some wunderwaffen on the side of HST, but because there was nothing to fight for, and internal cohesion rapidly disintegrated.


Please check out the HexAtlas!

The bulletins site is here!
The RSS feed is here.
Last week's thread is here.

1.7K comments
  • Pinned comment with info TBD describing what the news mega is to new folks

    General overview: The News mega is a place where people talk about news from around the world.

    Anyone can jump in and write something up. The really good stuff will get yoinked by me and edited into this pinned comment (with credit).

    As a general notice to old heads, the newer crowd - as far as I've seen from applications - tend to lean a mix of apolitical progressive to some flavor of anarchism. So play nice if any of them accidentally wander in, especially those of you who love to engage in posting blood sports and call shitlibs compradors. (You know who you are. Kiddie gloves or just don't engage)

    refer to this comment from combate doomerismo

  • Interesting commentary by a Vietnamese communist:
    https://xcancel.com/darrion_nguyen/status/1865962973455634668

    What happened in Syria vindicated Ho Chi Minh famous teaching “A nation who does not want to fight for its independence does not deserve it”. That’s why even though we got support from our allies (materials, technical), it was the Vietnamese to decide our struggle.

    We got “negotiated” by big nation (incl. so called allies like the USSR / China) during Geneva and we learned our lesson. Le Duan famously said if we want unification, we must not fear the US, and also not fear the USSR and China, which means if our allies don't agree to our course of action (let’s say fully liberate the south), be prepared to get supply cut off and fought on our own term if we want unification.

    Reality shows that was correct decision, culminating in Paris 1972 where we negotiate directly with the US. In the last days of south Vietnam, the West called the USSR and China to talk to Hanoi to halt our operation, but it was all in vain.

    Reminds me how Iran didn't want Ansarallah to seize Sanaa, but Ansarallah did it anyways.

  • Btw turns out that decades and weeks Lenin quote is actually George Galloway's version of this paragraph of Lenin:

    In the space of a few days we destroyed one of the oldest, most powerful, barbarous and brutal of monarchies. In the space of a few months we passed through a number of stages of collaboration with the bourgeoisie and of shaking off petty-bourgeois illusions, for which other countries have required decades.

    The entire left has been quoting Galloway for years.

  • I just can't get over the difference between "killing ceo in well executed premeditated assasination and fleeing the scene successfully" and "got caught in a mcdonalds with the gun STILL ON YOU and also with a hasily written manifesto ON HIM"

    Like what? If it is the same guy, how the fuck did he pull the assassination off so effortlessly if he's this incompetent. If he's not incometent and he wanted to get caught, THIS is the way he wanted to do that? There were so many other ways!

    So... wtf?! Genuinely I cannot comprehend it lmao

  • cuck n chad ranking: 14 years of Syrian meltdown

    Note: temporary removal of the first RUS vs UKR row, this edition is fully dedicated to Syria and related conflicts

    Gigachad Chad Neutral Beta (Fe)Male Virgin Cuck
    Abu Mohammed Al Jolani (bro started last week with a little zone in Idlib and ended this week as conqueror of Damascus) SDF (what started as a little militia to control some Kurdish neighborhoods runs more than a third of Syria today) Bashar Al Assad (the lion himself, strong independent dictator who dazzled us for years, but one day the lion couldn't do it anymore, so it was over) Iraqi Shia militia guys (spent years dying for Assad, went home to chill as the war calmed down, suddenly their life's work is gone) Syrian statue quality (Saddam's statues in Baghdad needed tanks and advanced rope to be pulled down, one guy that has gone to gym once can break a Hafez statue in two, very low quality work)
    Hezbollah (this collapse proved that were truly the backbone of all resistance in the region, everything is gone without them) Suheil Al Hassan (his Tiger forces leave the war as undefeated in actual combat, he deserves his gay harem) Iran and Russia (they deserve credit for somehow keeping a deeply unpopular regime alive for years, in the end they can't force the SAA to fight if they don't want to) Saudi Arabia (supported the rebels until they lost, then supported Assad until he lost, you're fucked if the Saudis are on your side) ISIS and Baghdadi (if Jolani gets gigachad for his powerful end to the race, then ISIS get virgin cuck for going on a generational run for like two years before getting destroyed)
    The people of Syria (endured absolute hell for years, with millions leaving and hundreds of thousands dead) Erdogan (I hate that this watermelon seller gets so many Ws in life, but I can't deny that he masterfully executed his role in this war) Iraq (suffered the worst ISIS spillover, the country almost collapsed because of it, but it came out as a mature leadership in the region) the World collectively (it never needed to be a massive war, everyone from the US to Russia to the Arab World are responsible for ruining a beautiful country) The people of Syria (14 years of pain, half of the population is gone, for what in the end, getting duped into accepting israeli control of the south and americans stealing oil in the east and jihadists in the capital)
  • Israel is currently undertaking one of the largest offensive air operations in it's entire history in Syria, bombing basically any piece of SAA/ex SAA military equipment, research facilities (both civilian and military), military bases and installations, weapons caches and ammunition caches, air defence systems, tanks, fighter jets, naval assets, ports, factories, etc. All that equipment that the HTS captured from the SAA is turning to ashes at this moment, all across the country. Israel is striking as far east as Hasaka, launching over 300 airstrikes in the past few hours. 150 airstrikes were reported yesterday. The United States is, as expected, providing assistance, flying MQ-4C ISR recon drones over the coast of Syria and Lebanon. Israeli ground forces are also in the Damascus countryside and 20km/12.5mi away from Damascus city itself. It's a disastrous situation, one that's was entirely predictable should the government of Syria fall.

    I made a comment a few months ago about how the SAAs air defence systems, including S-300 PMU-1's supplied by Russia, S-200s, Tor and Pantsir point air defence systems, were the only things in Syria preventing a large scale air attacks from Israel, and the skies of Syria turning into the skies of Lebanon and Gaza. Yes Israel could conduct air strikes into Syria, but those required extensive effort and planning, and were only done on a small scale, nothing like what is happening now. Some were dismissive of my comment given that Israel could conduct these limited strikes. But it unfortunately seems that I was right, now that those air defence systems no longer exist or have operators, Israel has free reign over the skies of Syria and are conducting some of the largest air operations in their history... The Syrian state infrastructure is being completely dismantled.

  • The amount of gloating and rebranding ISIS and Al Quedea as "rebels" from even Arab media is making me sick watching the coverage of this. Do people not understsnd who these bastard are? Have they forgotten already every single Arab country the west stuck their corrupted fingers in? What the fuck is going on?

  • Unidentified Iranian drones, reportedly the size of small cars, have been flying over American airspace to monitor U.S. military installations and critical infrastructure, including 'Picatinny Arsenal', an army base which houses the Headquarters of the U.S. Army Combat Capabilities Development Command Armaments Center (CCDCAC) – the drones are said to be 'technology that the U.S. does not possess' – Newsweek

    'The drones are not Iranian, but they are also not part of the U.S. military or any foreign government'

    'The drones seem to have some sort of advanced stealth capability' – Congressman Van Drew (R-NJ2)

    'One month ago, Iran launched a mothership near the U.S. East Coast, from where Iranian military drones have been entering U.S. airspace, including New Jersey, to monitor residences of the President & American military movements. These drones should be SHOT DOWN. The U.S. military is on full alert regarding this.' – Congressman Jeff Van Drew (R-NJ-2), citing high-ranking intelligence sources

    The Pentagon has denied that Iranian drones are operating in U.S. airspace, and states there is 'no official explanation' for the unidentified drones. However, Congressman Van Drew & other high-ranking government officials within the sub-commitee of Aviation of the U.S. House of Representatives insist that their information is truthful.

    They say the Pentagon is denying the news in order to prevent mass panic among the U.S. population. 'These are not American drones, we don't even have anything like this. I have it from extremely reliable sources that these are Iranian drones, launched from a mothership near the East Coast', Van Drew said.

  • Oop another Syrian scientist murdered, 3 now.

    “ Syrian scientist Shadia Habbal, an internationally renowned doctor of physics, was killed along with her husband in Damascus. Earlier, nuclear microbiologist Zahra al-Homsi was killed with two bullets to the head.”

  • With the fall of Syria, Nasrallah's assassination, and the death of Raisi, I've figured out how the Resistance media operates.

    1. If imperialist media is reporting something and there is no reporting on it at all by Resistance media, it is probably false.
    2. If imperialist media is reporting something and Resistance media is explicitly denying it, it is very possibly true.
    3. If imperialist media is reporting something and Resistance media is explicitly denying it and there's rumors from channels in the know that it's true, then it's almost certainly true and they are figuring out the best moment to report it.

    To sum it up: If it's all clear, there's nothing to fear; if they deny, get ready to cry.

  • I'm still in a state of shock, it feels weird that the Assads are gone when they've been such a constant in every Syrian's life for decades. I teared up today imagining that God might bless us one day with sights of Arab fighters storming Israeli prisons and freeing prisoners like we saw in Syria today.

  • funny how the US launched F35s against a Chinese balloon after days of non stop press about it, but the oh so mysterious drones off New Jersey are at once nothing to worry about but also ominous and spooky. they know what the fuck they are, this is the Americans we're talking about they'd shoot it just for laughs let alone perceived threat. they're absolutely American tech

  • Wait so the guy they caught had a similar gun and a fake ID and a printed copy of a manifesto and he was just chilling in Pennsylvania after coming all the way from Atlanta? He's totally a stooge, right?

    Although...

  • All the predictable news coverage of Assad coming out now. USA libs and cons going for a victory lap. They're even going after Assad's kids like they did for Saddam Hussein's and Gaddafi's kids. Oh my fckn god look at the mansion they lived in!!! (tiny compared to Mitch McConnell's and Nancy Pelosi's house). They had prisons!! People were held in prisons!!!!

    Can't wait till the USA is liberated. They gonna find lots of unmarked graves on prison grounds. Prisoners with burnt legs and arms. Marks from torture and solitary confinement. Rat poop and bugs in the food. No heat in the winter.

  • Some interesting tidbits from Arab social media since the fall of the Syrian state:

    • The euphoria is pretty much over, the discussion is slowly shifting to "what's next?".
    • Revanchism towards Shias or whatever on social media is also shifting towards a more reconciliatory tone. HTS behaving well towards the Shia shrines has been the main catalyst for that shift imo.
    • Lots of criticism towards how freeing the prisoners turned into some type of social media clout treasure hunt, many felt that it was dehumanising and distasteful.
    • Girls are thirsting for Jolani
    • Lots of Egyptians and Bahrainis are basically saying "God I wish that was us", they're dreaming about changing their shitty regimes and opening the prisons

    Lastly, I spoke with my aunt who lives in Aleppo and my cousin who has a farm outside of Damascus. They're both kinda content with the current situation. They mostly feel happy that the pressure of living under Assad is gone and that they can freely insult him now. Services and stuff like that haven't been interrupted and shops are functioning normally. Currency confusion remains mostly in Aleppo though, where people alternate between Syrian Liras, Turkish Liras and USD.

  • Now I'm convinced that NATO also did this Syria thing to expel Syrian immigrants. I'm seeing way too much of this "Syria is good now so go back" propaganda.

  • troubling stuff from lebanon:

    truly feel those shitheads will rather start shia/sunni conflict than notice entity across the border

  • Some mintpress news.

    Congress has just passed a new bill that will see the U.S. spend huge sums of money redesigning much of the public school system around the ideology of anti-communism.

    What I found most absurd in the article is this new update on the famous 100 million victims of communism list:

    "The principal organization promoting the 100 million figure today is the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, which has shown a similar level of both anti-communist devotion and methodological rigor. The group, set up by the U.S. government in 1993, added all worldwide COVID-19 deaths to the victims of communism list, arguing that the coronavirus was a communist disease because it originated in China."

    This is just so deeply unserious. I have a really hard time understanding how people fall for this so easily.

  • I think one thing we can learn from this is that it is impossible to prop up a legitimately unpopular government forever, no matter which country is doing it.

  • Syrian territorial integirty said "Assad must go" and now syrian territorial integrity is getting bum fucked by israel and turkey.

    The curse still holds, people, be careful with what you say

  • Nancy Pelosi tripped on the stairs (NYT)

    Ms. Pelosi tripped going down marble stairs at the Grand Ducal Palace and took a hard fall, according to a person familiar with the incident who was not authorized to comment and spoke on condition of anonymity.

    ...

    It was the second time this week that an octogenarian congressional leader sustained an injury while carrying out their official duties.

    On Tuesday, Senator Mitch McConnell, 82, Republican of Kentucky, tripped and fell in the Capitol following the weekly G.O.P. luncheon, spraining his wrist and sustaining a small cut to his face.

  • Syria no longer has an Air Force or an Air Defense network, virtually all planes, helicopters and AD systems have been destroyed by over 300 Israeli strikes in the past 48 hours

  • Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi held a meeting with IDF Chief-of-Staff Herzi Halevi in Cairo. In the meeting, Israel reportedly guaranteed to offer assistance and protection to the Sisi regime in the event of an uprising in Egypt. Israel sees Egypt's current government as a 'friendly and stable' regime that poses no direct threat to Israel, according to officials. – Maariv

    What Israel means, is that if Sisi falls, they will bomb Cairo and the Sinai killing both revolutionaries and pro-goverment people.

  • My heart still breaks into a million pieces whenever I see a clip of Nasrallah on twitter or anywhere else. I can't believe he's really gone, I still can't fully accept it. I kept watching a beautiful clip of a Lebanese man in Iraq reading a little poem to mourn him on repeat today. The lyrics were this:

    أين نصرالله أين - Where is Nasrallah, where

    ليته في الحاضرين - I wish he was present

    نحن اقسمنا يمينا - We took an oath

    للشهادة سائرين - Towards martyrdom we march

    It sounds better in Arabic I promise

  • Exclusive: Syria's new rulers back shift to free-market economy, business leader says - Reuters, 10 December 2024

    Reuters link

    Archive mirror link

    Syria's new government has told business leaders it will adopt a free-market model and integrate the country into the global economy in a major shift from decades of corrupt state control, the head of the biggest Syrian business lobby said on Tuesday.

    "It will be a free-market system based on competition," Bassel Hamwi, head of the Damascus Chambers of Commerce, told Reuters in an interview...

    Yes, it's real, we're getting neoliberal free market jihadists now, 2024 just keeps on giving...

    "People are still waiting to see if it will be an open society or an Islamic state," a Beirut-based Syrian businessman said, who asked not to be named to talk freely.

    Why not both, an open market and Islamic state?

    Hamwi said he had been informed by Adelaziz that the stifling customs system would be done away with, fulfilling a major demand of traders and industrialists.

    "Everyone who registers at the chambers will be able to import the goods they want into the market, within a specific system," he said.

    Reuters spoke to four prominent Syrian businessmen who said the message from the new authorities appeared encouraging and a far cry from a system that had been heavily controlled by a small cohort of loyalist businessmen close to the Assads.

  • Not exactly news, but hearing discourse now that countries are planning to send back refugees that have fled with Assads rule as the reason for seeking asylum. Not even a week has passed and the immigration ghouls are already finding ways to use this as a way to turn people away.

1747 comments