One consistent thing about sovcit garbage is their ability to leave out relevant things when talking about how much a victim they are. I'm sure there is more to their actions than what is described that lead the hospital staff to alert CPS.
Edit: My personal experience with a NICU makes this response no surprise at all. My son was premature and while we were there the father of a teenage girl who had a baby there came in to the NICU and started getting loud about unplugging the baby. He was quickly escorted out by Hospital security and arrested. They take no chances in that kind of environment.
Can someone help with my reading comprehension here? The person had a letter to deny healthcare for the children but said yes to healthcare for themselves?
At first I read it as the person gave them the letter saying no re healthcare for children, but when asked verbally said yes for the same.
it looks like this person wanted to be consulted before any care/treatment was provided to their children. when asked, they agreed to suggested care.
it looks like there is an error in their post. i do not read their statement to mean they accepted care for their own self and not for their children.
That's what seems to have happened yeah.
My advice is to fucking vaccinate your children
denying vaccines is dumb enough, but why the fuck would anyone opt to require consent for blood testing?
So nobody knows the mother is smoking meth.
While this is true to a point it is very fucked up that for job interviews and things like that they have to extract fluids from you and test them.
That SHOULD be against our 4th amendment rights in the USA.
For childbirth it's a bit different, because a child is involved. But I can't blame them for wanting consent for something that really shouldn't even be legal to do at all.
The government now have your baby's DNA for cloning.
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Everything should require consent. I’ve had too many medical “professionals” fuck things up.
I agree with you on this. We are supposed to have rights.
Yes, that sounds like something the NICU would lie about. "We didn't like them, so we didn't get their legal consent."
I read this as that they gave written, legal NON-consent, then verbally backtracked. The hospital had paperwork one way and none the other. Of course they followed the paperwork.
Medical professional giving my two cents here: physicians and healthcare providers are allowed, and in some cases even required, to disregard the expressed, voiced, or even written wishes of the parent if the parent's wishes would endanger the child's life. The classic example is with Jehovah's Witnesses: if a child of a Jehovah's Witness is getting surgery or suffered an injury with significant blood loss, the child will be given life-saving blood transfusions irrespective of the parents' religious beliefs or wishes.
This is not a breach of informed consent taken lightly, but physicians and other medical professionals will ignore what the parents did or did not consent to if it means that the child or vulnerable adult would die or suffer grievous harm otherwise.
Presumably something about the Hospital having a fringe on the flag in the lobby had something to do with it.
This is good news.
As annoying as sovcits are, we can't conflate them with people just asserting their rights.
It's reasonable to require consent before performing tests/procedures on your children. (Though I, personally, would trust the nursing staff and doctors more than this.)
The behavior here is a hint of terrible sovcit / antivax shit, but it hasn't crossed the line yet, and shouldn't (alone) require CPS yet.
I'm pretty sure sovcit did many other things they aren't telling us about to attract CPS.
Agreed. Just saying that what we can see should be allowed.
i wouldn't assume the best of CPS. in my work, i see many families who are dealing with CPS, and it is often an unjust shitshow for families.
the notion that an agency should exist to protect the interests of vulnerable people is obviously a good one. in practice, many workers are undereducated, overworked, often lacking professionalism, and empowered by the state to enact bias against families and family members who may also be vulnerable.
cps, unfortunately, should be viewed in context of our country's history of criminalizing and victimizing minorities (people of color, people experiencing poverty, women and sexual minorities). they do some good work. they also hurt a lot of people they should not, including children.
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i don't think the parent denied testing. when asked, they consented.
edit "when they asked me, i gave them permission."
If someone in the maternity ward had come up to me after my daughter was born and asked me if I consented to a blood test, I'd think it was a really weird thing to ask consent for, which is probably why no one asked as far as I remember (maybe it was buried in a bunch of legalese or something). Has a baby ever suffered any sort of grievous harm from a blood test? It's like asking for consent to wash the kid after it's born. No one asked us for consent to do that either, which is probably good because neither of us were exactly in the right mind to think about such things what with me seeing something with 50% of my DNA coming out of my wife's body and her suffering through something with 50% of her DNA coming out of her body.
this parent did not find it weird to be asked, because that's what they wanted. they requested that staff seek their consent before providing care.
Your daughter is disabled. Who cares? Use a condom next time retard
Fuck that children are not property
So you are saying hospitals should be able to do what ever they want without consent?
Maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
It is reasonable to have to get consent before running tests or injecting something.
Side note I do believe if people want to go to public school they should have to get vaccinated, unless a doctor can reasonably state in a particular case it would be a bad idea for one particular person (health reasons).
I think sovcit idiots need their heads checked.
Clearly the state should decide what to do with them.
children are not property, but consent is also important.
Not saying that I agree or disagree, but why does the parents consent matter?
Parental consent is usually used as a substitute where a child is too young to give consent for a procedure. In Australia and the UK once a child is able to understand the procedure and associated risks they are considered "Gillick competent" and their consent outweighs the parent's, but until then the parent is the one who gives consent on the child's behalf. Parental consent is also used as a substitute when the child is incapacitated by injury or illness such that they are incapable of giving informed consent. Health practitioners and first aiders can also assume consent in life-threatening situations where the patient is incapable of giving consent (e.g. giving CPR to someone in cardiac arrest).
