Sub.club is here to help the fediverse make money
Sub.club is here to help the fediverse make money
“There’s a lot of free labor that runs the fediverse right now.”
Fuck the commodification of culture.
Fuck full time content creators.
I don't want people working full time on social networks. I don't want to read your ad, your secret knowledge, your product placement, or sponsorship, or your oh so subtle pitch for VC funding. I'm certainly not going to give money.
I want people who do their own thing in the real world, and as a hobby and show-and-tell, submit their work freely to the Internet to hone and expand their craft and field, and gain organic enrichment altruisticly.
If you want to sell stuff and make money, make your own website and store. Not on our forum.
Don't pollute our forum. I want to be inspired, be in awe, be entertained, be informed, and to give back in my own way that continues this cycle and fuels the forum.
We've fled so many greedy sites - fleeing this capitalistic parasite in hopes of finding honest discussion untainted by greed. I'm tired of fleeing.
We must monetize everything we do otherwise what are we doing? Having fun? Fuck that, gotta get on grindset my man, lambos dont purchase themselves
creating things costs money. crowdfunding platforms like patreon have already proven an incredibly powerful avenue to enable independent creators who are passionate about things to share that with an audience. entertainment is, in fact, a job, which requires resources and time, and i loathe the implication that it isn't.
Almost all of my creations which I share (mostly code and visual art) are entirely volunteer work. Community culture doesn't cost money. Entertainment does not need to be a job, even if it must take time and work.
Of course industrial large feature films cost full-time money. But I don't come to online communities for that.
I just wish your perspective was the norm. As these platforms catch on, that toxicity you mention becomes inevitable. Also tired of fleeing. I sincerely hope we don’t have to find a way to tie financial incentive into this relatively untainted community.
As far as I’m concerned, whatever they’re selling here in OP’s article ain’t it. And perhaps my ideas (above) of a future decentralized fediverse are misguided too.
I will say this: I don’t WANT to find a way to monetize this stuff. People are just increasingly more desperate for money. As the world gets worse, people are going to get increasingly more desperate to find a unique niche to fill to make a living.
Fediverse is all about inclusivity. You want to create your own community? Sure. You don't like creators? Just block them.
It's not about commodification of culture, but realizing that all illustrator, comic artist, writer, and designer are in the end still have to make money for their living.
Even Lemmy, Mastodon, or any FOSS software still need funding to make it works.
It's possible to make creators on fediverse feels like their home without all corporate greed. Even right now, a lot of comic artist and writers are making their way here, posting their creativity on various instance.
Consider a universal basic income as a means to reduced the profit motive when authors create/share media.
Also consider not having an economy where our jobs dominate our lives.
There's plenty of studies, videos and anecdotes discussing how despite technology becoming more and more efficient, we work more hours a day in the Industrial era. Most of the older culture we consider traditional didn't come from the media industries we see today, they came from families and communities having enough time to spend together that they can create and share art and other media relevant to their own lives.
Yes yes yes yes yes!
Sounds like Patreon with extra steps.
I think having a way for something like liberapay to be more closely coupled with your fediverse account so people can easily see one can accept donations would be good, but adding sub-only posts is a step too far I think.
Are we so hive-minded here on Lemmy that we have been brainwashed into hating crypto so much that we, a DECENTRALIZED community, have decided to start a centralized service to pay posters rather than use the trustless, decentralized systems literally DESIGNED for that purpose that already exist?
All crypto isn’t a scam, people. Stop scoring own-goals against the big banksters and do your part against crypto scams by thoroughly vetting crypto projects before you put your trust in them rather than blindly believing that they’re ALL out to scam you.
This idea should obviously be implemented with cryptocurrency but of course it isn’t because of our unfounded vilification of an entire industry that is clearly more philosophically aligned with the principles of the fediverse than centralized, legacy systems that we’ve been duped into continuing to support.
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I'm not complaining about it being crypto - I prefer crypto over credit card payments for online stuff. On the other hand, any monetisation of online communities leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I came to Lemmy years ago to get a step further away from for-profit internet treating me like a customer. Root of all evil, and all that.
I couldn’t agree more. When I was proposing crypto tie-in for votes, someone mentioned the Cobra Effect and I honestly had no answer to prevent it. I think it is wise to proceed under the assumption that it is somewhat inevitable that we see some sort of monetization as the user base grows and it becomes prohibitively expensive to run an instance. Personally, I think it is important that we really get deep into these discussion now so we can find a good consensus (with the least tradeoffs) before it’s too late and people just start forcfeeding users the classic “enshittification” modus operandi. I think the method detailed in this article is straight up enshitification incarnate; Patreon with more steps.
I disagree. The fediverse just proves you can have successful decentralisation without any whiff of blockchain. You call them legacy systems, but they are in fact still current systems aren't they.. we're still using them.
You don’t want decentralization? Your argument against crypto is that we still use centralized systems? We will do that until we don’t. That’s like way back before cars were ubiquitous, seeing a car and saying, “we use the horse and buggy.” Yes we do. The car replaces the horse and buggy in many important ways. It takes a while to catch on, though. In the same way, IMO technology should always be guided toward further decentralization unless we WANT the powers that be to be the gatekeepers of information.
Honestly, even without crypto attached to it, I’d say the next version of the internet WILL be more servers running by independent operators and less centralization in data centers. It is inevitable regardless of anything I wrote here. Centralization is bad for so many reasons…the most damning of which is censorship.
All (capitalistic) money is a scam.
We’re just forced to use a currency because governments say so.
So yes, your crypto is still a scam. Because money still vanishes into thin air when line goes down.
Let me ask you this then: How do you think servers will continue to run? Do they run for free on fairy magic?
I don’t live in a communist country. So, I fail to see your point about money being a scam. Yes. Of course. But I can’t tell my landlord that money is a scam. He will want money for me to continue not being homeless.
3rd generation cryptocurrencies are an attempt to decentralize and democratize computation. If you have a better way to pay people for use of their servers, I’d be happy to hear it but right now you are literally using a server that runs because someone decided to do so for free. It won’t always be that way when this technology scales beyond one server operator’s practical limit. We will need ways to pay people for the use of their electricity and hardware. If you can think of a better way that ISN’T fraught with corruption, centralization, and loss of anonymity, I’d love to read it.
It grows the brand, Leels. It grows the brand.
I don't understand the down votes
=> I always read up and down votes as a tool to flag valuable posts. It feels like down vote on this one is about agreement with the news?My guess: A lot of people are fed up with late-stage capitalism reaching its tendrils into everything good and turning it into dystopian garbage, and are justifiably wary of monetization taking root in one of the few online spaces that they still enjoy.
It's not a valuable post, a service like Club Sub will add nothing good to the Fediverse. My downvote should be seen as a deterrence for potential wannabe fulltime content creators. Stay on your YouTube, your Twitter, Insta, Reddit, Patreon and X.
Stay away from my Fediverse!
Also, it's an article on The Verge. Which is by default low quality.
Creators like illustrator, comic artist, cosplayer, or blogger needs money to sustain their works.
Fediverse is not anti creators. There are a lot of attempt (especially Japanese fediverse community) to embrace this demography.
It's possible to create pro-creator service without making fediverse succumb to corporate greed.
After all, fediverse should be all about inclusivity. If you don't like creators, just block them.
It's being downvoted because the entire tone is that the fediverse needs monetization, despite the fact that every single one of the pressures that resulted in the fediverse existing and being relevant resulted from money having undue influence on the experience to the detriment of users and usability.
Wow, so many downvotes probably from people hating the news, this is not what the downvote button is for.
It's about if a post or comment contributes or triggers interesting and engaging discussions.
Specifically for news articles, I find it important to upvote if I'm glad the article was posted at all, since it helps raise awareness about an issue etc, or if I probably wouldn't have found the article posted on another platform, so maybe I wouldn't have learned about it at all.
Even if it's fake news, it's better for me to be aware that misinformation in being spread about the issue, with people in the comments explaining why it's fake with sources etc.
The upvote/downvote button is not a change.org petition for making a problem go away by disagreeing with it.
The upvote/downvote button is not a [] petition for making a problem go away by disagreeing with it.
Unfortunately, in a material way, it is. Downvoting a post is a way of lowering its visibility on the platform.
But that is my point: downvoting the news will not keep people from using it; the people who will want to use it will find it anyway.
In any case, people still want to be aware about it, especially the people who disagree and downvoted it, so they should have upvoted instead, in order to have a proper discussion about the issue they supposedly care about.
Trying to bury it in downvotes to make it disappear from "Hot" does the exact opposite.
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I'm not even reading that article because, no. But I'm all for an award system here on lemmy. All money goes to the instance hoster and the user gets badges, maybe a highlighted name. The most gilded users get entered into a giveaway every month or so for something like a T-shirt.
That's allows for the instances to sustain themselves and gives users more incentive to post, without stupid subscriptions and promoting content farming.