Reddit’s advertising revenue grew to $315.1 million, while “other” revenue reached $33.2 million on account of “data licensing agreements signed earlier this year.” Both Google and OpenAI have cut deals with Reddit to train their AI models on its posts.
In a letter to shareholders, Reddit CEO Steve Huffman attributed the recent increase in users to the platform’s AI-powered translation feature. Reddit started letting users translate posts into French last year before expanding to Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, and German. Now, Huffman says Reddit plans to expand translation to over 30 countries through 2025.
Well and behind it is stealing other peoples' work (posts and comments, moderation and administration) and selling them as yours. The oldest capitalist criminal trick in the book: privatization AKA primitive accumulation AKA enclosure of the commons.
I mean, to be fair, I'm nearly positive that the Reddit T&Cs will have said they retain rights to anything posted there for ages. And the AI bubble is already showing signs of deflation or bursting coming not too far down the line. Let them enjoy their first and hopefully only profitable year.
A couple months ago, I logged into an old Reddit account. It only took a few minutes of scrolling before it happened.
I had to scroll back up and try again, and record my screen so I could doublecheck my count later.
35 ads or “recommended” posts (i.e. not from anything I subscribed to) in a row.
I’m curious what that means for the overall percentage of the average user’s feed.
Edit: Okay yall... I appreciate all of the free technical support, but it's really not needed. I was just documenting some findings.
But since everyone is so concerned about improving my Reddit experience, here are a few things to consider:
I'm a mobile dev, so I don't mind enduring a shitty UX for the sake of finding out what other companies are doing with their apps. If I'm going in with a mindset of curiosity, it really doesn't bother me. In fact, I want to see the worst parts.
Even if I had been going in just to have a pleasant scrolling experience, the reason I opened Reddit at all is because my wife had my phone for a while (due to toddler nonsense, we had swapped phones and she was stuck sitting in the hallway for a few minutes) and she had decided to open the app, so the decision of app vs. website was kinda made for me already.
Even if she had considered using the website instead, I wasn't logged in because I only use private browsing (again, mobile dev, so when testing web flows I like to make sure there is no saved web data).
Even if I was already logged in, it's an iPhone. While I do use an ad-blocker, the ad-blocking capabilities of Safari are pretty limited, so I'm not sure it would've improved much.
Even if I was on Android, I'd probably still not have any extensive ad-blocking enabled, because I want to stay relatively vanilla in my setup to reduce confounding factors when testing.
Even if there was a genuine opportunity here for my setup to be improved... I didn't ask for that, and swarming people with "have you considered doing it the right way?" when they're just making a basic observation doesn't create a great atmosphere for the overall Lemmy experience.
I still browse reddit, honestly more than I do lemmy, but its mostly reddit old with adblock. Even on browser even though that is painful to navigate.
With properly curated subs its not so bad, but there definitely is still something missing. Also holy cow the current algorithm on reddit is trash. It used to be that the front page changed and shifted but sometimes I see the same crap on my front page for 2 days. It's insane!
It cannot - more and more content is coming from AI so they are just "relearning" what one of the AI platforms has already produced... the endgame of that is convergence on nothing new being produced from AI
As I often mention in other communities, this smells like value exploitation extraction* from a distance. Value exploitation extraction typically generates a peak of profit in the short term, but it makes losses even harsher in the long run.
As such I don't think that Reddit is getting "bigger". That profit is like someone who lives in a wooden house, dismantling their own home to sell it as lumber; of course they'll get some quick cash, but it's still a bad idea.
In a letter to shareholders, Reddit CEO Steve Huffman attributed the recent increase in users to the platform’s AI-powered translation feature.
Let's pretend for a moment that we can totally trust Huffman's claim here. Even human translations often get some issues, as nuances and whatnots are not translated, and this generates petty fights, specially in a younger userbase like Reddit's; with AI tendency to hallucinate, that gets way worse. And even if that was not an issue, a lot of content is simply irrelevant for people outside a certain regional demographic.
*EDIT REASON: I switched the terms, sorry. (C'mon, I'm L3.)
I think that most users there are still human beings, but botting has become a big enough problem that the platform can't be seen as a place for genuine content any more.
Yup, it is 100% relevant! Selling user data is extremely profitable, specially with a large userbase. However, it lowers the value of the platform - it makes users less eager to genuinely contribute with it (due to privacy concerns, seeing it as a "they're exploiting me!" matter, etc.). As such the data being generated there becomes less useful, less relevant, and less profitable over time, paradoxically enough.
I fucked it up and switched the terms, sorry. Look for "value extraction" instead; you'll find multiple references to the concept such as this or Mazzucato's "The Value of Everything".
To keep it short: you create value when you produce desirable goods/services for the customers; however, when you extract it, you're picking the value that was already created (by society, your customers, or even your own business) and turning it into profit. The later is faster but unsustainable, as that value doesn't pop up from nowhere, so when a business shifts from value creation to value extraction it'll get some quick cash and then go kaboom.
In Reddit's case, this value is mostly users willing to generate, curate, and share content with the platform, and other users knowing this:
someone recommends you a product/brand. The person might be wrong, but you were reasonably sure that they aren't a corporation astroturfing their own product. Someone else might criticise it instead.
you hop into your favourite subreddit and, while the content there isn't the best, it's still good enough - because the mods gave some fucks about growing their subreddits;
you discuss some controversial topic. You might get dogpiled, but at least you know that the dogs piling you are human beings, that sometimes might listen to reason; a bot will never;
et cetera.
All that value was being slowly extracted through the last years, but the changes in 2023/2024 did it the hardest.
Shorthand for third language [English] speaker. I mean that I'm prone to switch a few words here and there, due to other languages interfering inside my head.
Really wonder how they plan to increase their revenue on the AI training data, especially now that a significant amount of their data is "poisoned" by the models they try to train
Not that I'm aware of. AFAIK nobody collects hard long-term data right now, and I'm actually working actively on a system to do it.
Just based on me peaking at current federation stats every once in a while, .world has grown relative to the niche but early-arriving .ml/heaxbear/lemmygrad sphere, which makes me think it's growing overall.
I'm looking forward to LLMs copying the gibberish german communities like to use. It is very common there to translate things word for word without any regard for correct german grammar or understandibility.
Congrats to them. Sad though that they had to go as low as selling their users out to AI training for that. And context sensitive advertisements in social media are also more a drag to society. But hey, they did it.
Maybe now they can shift to more ethical business models?
Such a shame it turned out the way it did, but the writing was on the wall. Every single reddit announcement thread was a shit show aha. I guess in a way they were transparent about only being in it for the money. Their actions were always consistent