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The entire rest of the world needs to be on watch, trump is a potential threat to other countries
FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN AMERICA GET THE FUCK OUT NOW
I can't even afford to live HERE, in the country I was born and raised in. How do you expect me to move somewhere else and gain citizenship there?
How about illegal immigration :D
Easier said than done there bucko. Most of us are just going to have to live here and take it because legal immigration into another nation is just as bad in most countries as it is here in America.
What is so fucked that the US isn't an anomaly. Authoritarianism has been on the rise since the 90s and we don't really have any more true democracies. The crazy right-wing jackasses that people back in 2000 and 2005 thought were just kooks and nutjobs are now 100% mainstream and they're taking over their respective countries... We are not in a good place.
we don’t really have any more true democracies
What's a True Democracy and when did we originally have it?
Is this where we blink past Jim Crow and put blinders on during the Nixon/Reagan years to pretend popular politics was a real thing prior to Clinton?
Or are we going to claim 1976 was the only truly free and fair election in IS history?
Let me reword that. We have no liberal democracies as we thought of them in the 90s.
Best part of all this is there are still probably people who think that leftists are the anti-democratic ones...
We have no liberal democracies as we thought of them in the 90s.
No. But that's largely because we were lied to on the definition.
Best part of all this is there are still probably people who think that leftists are the anti-democratic ones…
Everyone knows that "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" doesn't mean "Working People control the government". It means "One Guy In a Hardhat Is The King". Now lets re-litigate every historical event between 1917 and 1945, while drawing parallels back to the modern moment and insisting tankies stole the election.
You realize that unless you have a second citizenship it's not easy to just up and leave for another country?
Even that isn't enough unless you have a lot of money laying around and some kind of support network in whatever country you plan to escape to.
Most people don't. I really didn't get the whole scope/big picture until my wife (who immigrated as a child and now works with immigrant families) explained the whole process and gave examples of things she's seen at work and with people in the community. Last night we got dinner with my mom and she asked "OK where are we moving to?" to only get a lengthy conversation of how it's works and how hard it is. It's not as easy as buying a plane ticket, selling all your stuff or shipping things to where you are going and then picking up life as normal. I hope most people here realize that, but I felt like it needed to be said.
Immigration is never easy... Right? I'd like to hear more stories from those who ensured the process.
Shipping your things? Lmao 🤣
I've looked, it's also incredibly expensive, outside of many people's means, mine included
What I kinda hate is the liberals who act like they want to help but are actively planning to leave the country.
If they are brown or queer, sure. It's needed, seek asylum and live elsewhere. If they're white cis liberals who happened to have a back up plan and just abandon the people who thought they would save them?
"I'm here to help. Oh we lost despite me browbeating you and tokenizing your life. I'm off to England and Canada, bye! Maybe I'll give some bucks to a random gofundme."
Lol and go where? From what I can tell, Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right. Western Europe is already getting sick of immigrants and dealing with the far right.
Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right
Yeah. Trudeau's not super popular anymore because of all his scandals, open corruption, and his handling of the economy and immigration (I expect the Trump win will probably solidify his base somewhat, though, once people start comparing the opposition to Trump) and the NDP's never going to win a majority with Jagmeet at the helm (NDP voters aren't too thrilled about how far up Trudeau's ass his tongue regularly goes). That basically leaves the Bloc (which only cares about Quebec) and the Conservatives. No one outside of Quebec votes for the Bloc (no one serious, at least).
The most damaging thing Trump ever did was show the politicians of the world that you can pretty much just do whatever the fuck you want if you spread divisive hate and propaganda hard enough. The Cons weren't anywhere close to what the Republicans were before he got into office. In our case, the economy usually did get better under them. Unfortunately, they've been steadily becoming more and more extreme over the past couple of elections. It looked like they were trying to be more moderate when they had Erin O'Toole, but there were still some morons among them that were eager to show that they'd gone batshit insane, so they're back to doubling down on ol' Canadian Ben Shapiro now.
Thanks for the added context. I've seen a few headlines about what's happening, but it's good to hear the perspective from someone that lives there.
No one outside of Quebec votes for the Bloc because no one outside of Quebec can vote for the Bloc.
To be fair to myself, you can vote for anyone. It just won't necessarily count since it'll spoil the ballot.
No you can't, we don't have write in in Canada.
You're given a pen/pencil and asked to fill out a box. Nothing prevents you from writing stuff, but whatever. It's not like it matters.
Exactly. They're DEALING WITH the far right. They haven't just handed they keys to the country over.
There's still a chance for them.
My wife and I have considered shoring up in Baja. We have quite a few friends in a well insulated community down there, and it's a 12 hour drive from where we're at, assuming they don't lock the border from the inside (which they probably will at some point).
Say hi to Jesse Ventura for me.
and move where? to another country electing fascists?
Yeah now that Russia has bought and paid for the US they can focus elsewhere.
They'll be drinking champagne (or the Russian equivalent) in the Kremlin tonight. Putin and the KGB played the long game and won.
trump is a potential threat to other countries
At what point in the last eight decades hasn't the US posed a threat to almost every other country on the planet?
I'd love to leave, but it isn't feasible for me. I'm absolutely terrified and have no way out.
Fuck that, I love this country and I'm not ceding it to a bunch of stupid bigots. They're the ones that should be leaving.
I thought the same except he won the popular vote too. I'm worried this isn't a minority of people with loud voices...I think this is America.
I've been duped or in denial or something.
He won because Kamala underperformed. They both underperformed compared to 2020 actually, Kamala just moreso.
Voters are disillusioned with Democrats, and it's no wonder why when the Democrats keep running on policy that is unpopular with their base and relying on orange man bad to get their voters to the polls. It worked once, and then nothing changed, so of course it wasn't going to work again. Stop trying to push the blame off on voters and use this time to reflect on your own party's election strategy.
It blows my mind you can still love this country after last night. Dude, we just ceded everything to the bigots. They've overwhelmingly achieved all their goals.
What if I told you that the bigots made America into the hellscape you have Stockholm syndrome for?
Because the founding fathers certainly didn't like non-whites. Or even a lot of other white people.
maybe it's not time to run, maybe it's time to fight.
Counterpoint... If you leave, you're leaving the most power arsenal of doomsday weapons in the hands of a moron death cult.
Stay, and become ungovernable.
You imply that Trump actually intends to govern and not rule.
Become unruleable.
You're off to a good start.
I'm not sure if you've heard, but the moron death cult already has the arsenal
Ah yes, I forgot that I personally controlled the nuclear arsenal. Thanks.
Yeah, you do, or at least a partial control.
The results of last night's election says otherwise.
Then run, no amount of handwashing will protect you from nuclear fire.
No amount of voting seems to help either.
Actually, we know the exact amount of voting required to help.
Ahhh yes, it is so easy to pick up and move to another country. Why didn't anyone think of this earlier?
"If you don't like America, leave!" Was what Republicans said for decades.
Now we're expecting the poor and disabled and BIPOC to just do it because Harris failed. Unbelievable.
I'm not leaving. All my friends are here. We don't run from danger.
How do I leave?
By getting yourself a passport, a working permit for wherever you want to go and a plane ticket.
That's easier said than done. I have a passport, but a lot of countries are still pretty hard to get a job in as a foreigner even with a skill set that is in demand. I have actually been looking for a while. It's not easy.
always has been.
Lol, no thanks, I think things will get really good around here once January hits
With Trump, Musk, and RFK Jr. running things, how can we go wrong?
Exactly!
Need someone to remind you of this comment in 2028?
Yes please!