We did it, guys!

Yeah, bcz Trump isn't going to do the exact same thing... not an excuse. I'd rather have someone in office i can criticize and disagree with than this sack of shit who's, in all likelihood, eventually plan will include death camps for anybody who disagrees with him. People clearly don't remember how chaotic his first term in office was.

Now tha the election is over and we can see that the Harris attempt of "well, we won't be worse than we are now" didn't get people to vote, I think it's okay to get angry about it. If America manages to survive this, this lesson HAS to be learnt. I'm fucking pissed off at the dems.
I did my part to try to get Harris elected. And I really am going to hate having to deal with smug chuds on the right as well as having liberals trying to justify the shitty platform of the loser.
- I'm fucking pissed, disappointed, and sad for the future. We have seen this playbook in country after country. I hope to God I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain life is about to get a whole lot worse for a lot of people, maybe not right away, but sooner than we think.
  
  As a trans parent of a trans kid, I think we are first in line for day one bullshit. Very scared atm
I can't say I entirely disagree with you, but the death camps thing is a bit much. In a hypothetical scenario where that is actually accurate, wouldn't that make people like Thomas Crooks a martyr? Are you really willing to go there?
- Have you not looked at the project 2025 plans?
  
  The really funny thing is that this person was, in another thread, claiming that fascism was their posts getting "censored."
  
  So you think Thomas Crooks was a martyr then and Ryan Routh is a hero?
  
  When did I say anything about those two? You brought it up, not me.
  
  If there will be death camps for opposition, people that tried to stop them would be heros right? Military veterans have been called heros for much less.
  
  This is the democratic process. He won the electoral college and the popular vote. I'm not going to call people heros for trying to assassinate someone for something they haven't done yet. I'm just making a prediction that I think will come to pass, which I am really hoping is wrong. You are free to say, and think what you want.
  
  Yes but you said in all likelihood. If the police thinks in all likelihood you are going to kill them, do they wait to take action? I'm not saying you're wrong but at least be honest about it. Either he's very likely a full on fascist that will murder people because they opposed him, and in that case people that tried to stop him before a lot more people got murdered would be more like heros, or he isn't likely to do it and in that case democracy worked as expected and those people were completely wrong. Is it a more of wait and see if the people that tried to stop him may or may not be heros?
  
  Yes, because I don't subscribe to the thought police bullshit, where we show up and arrest someone for something they may or may not do in the future.
  
  Yep

2012, 2016, and 2024 all have pretty equal share Dem votes, 2020 is the spike in Dem. So it speaks more to apathy than genocide.

Also, with Trump, Gaza is glass. They are so fucked now that the Biden stuff is going to look like a US school shooting where no one cares. I guess the upshot is that we won't have to worry about Gaza much longer since all the Palestinians will be turned into dust soon.

But everyone knew that. Staying home just meant you wanted the Palestinians dead at a faster rate without tangential guilt. Easy for one to excuse Trump giving the nod for bibi to end everyone if you can say "well I didn't vote for him."

This argument is based on no facts at all. There’s no polling data showing that Gaza was even a top 3 issue among voters, and Trump won Michigan by a margin so big that it was more than every Arab-American in the entire state and then some.
AND everyone in North Gaza will be dead by New Years because the UN reports no food has been allowed to be delivered in over a month and the “Generals Plan” in Israel says everyone who didn’t evacuate will be treated as a Hamas fighter and killed on sight. That’s ALL on Biden without Trump even entering the White House yet. Biden doesn’t even airdrop food anymore. So bashing this as a “but Trump will turn Gaza into glass” is a moot point since Biden will have killed everyone there months beforehand.
- There’s no polling data showing that Gaza was even a top 3 issue among voters
  I didn't say it was. As you may note from my comment.
  So it speaks more to apathy than genocide
  is a moot point since Biden will have killed everyone there months beforehand
  One, neither Biden nor Trump are killing anyone. It's the permissive nature of the United States and their supplies.
  Two, Israel isn't in a position to carry out the operation that you are indicating. They're still far short supplied on that front. Over the weekend ahead of the election, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin indicated that the negotiated terms for aid had failed, which clears the path for the US to end weapons delivery to the country under a Leahy determination. Now of course Trump will resume those shipments, but critical missile deployments are likely to end for the time being, especially seeing how it doesn't matter if Biden or Harris secure shit in votes.
  Three, the UN World Food Programme has indicated about 10% of their target supply mission for aid is getting through. So there is indeed food, just not enough to feed everyone.
  The thing is, the suffering will likely continue long into 2026 because Israel has every intention of sending a very clear message for future Hamas recruits. And you have a hard time sending a clear message with just dead people. The suffering and the pain is the point of what Israel is doing. The land is a nice bonus, but just killing everyone outright doesn't show the level of suffering that Israel can actually implement. It's that being able to drag one's pain and misery out for years on end that Israel is after.
  If Israel wanted to carpet bomb the place, they would have asked for that at the start before the relationship soured.
  
  neither Biden nor Trump are killing anyone
  Biden has publicly said that a country supplying weapons is just as guilty as the one using those weapons. He was talking about Iran giving Russia weapons that are used against Ukrainians, and he’s a hypocrite if he pretends Israel is any different, particularly when he is the one vetoing ceasefires at the UN and rewarding Netanyahu for refusing to take ceasefire deals.
  “Correction, 10% of the food is entering Gaza” means famine will continue and mass starvation. A war crime against literal millions of people. Do you think that being slightly off on the death toll means it’s acceptable?
  Israel has every intention of sending a very clear message for future Hamas recruits
  Israel has tried this strategy for 30 years and it never worked and will not work. You’re basically pushing a “bomb them until they love us” strategy.
  70% of the buildings are destroyed. Tent cities were set on fire. Palestinians burned alive in hospital beds. It’s virtually indistinguishable from carpet bombing.
There you go. Blame progressives and people that wanted good things. Attack the people that want change, rather than demand Democrats change anything. That'll certainly get you a victory like it did this time. Is your new plan in 2028 to just attack everyone who isn't blindly loyal?
- Blame progressives and people that wanted good things
  Was genocide a matter in 2012 or 2016? 2020? If 2012, 2016 and 2024 are same numbers, I'd think it's safe to point to similar conditions in mindset.
  I don't blame the sky for being blue, it just is.
  rather than demand Democrats change anything
  This part doesn't make any sense. You can't solve a problem without first identifying the problem. You can't change anything if you deny the thing that needs to change. Am I missing some core argument of yours?
  Is your new plan in 2028 to just attack everyone who isn't blindly loyal?
  I'm not attacking them. Apathy is a thing. Happens. If some coach comes out and doesn't motivate their team, are we blaming the players for not getting excited enough? Like I don't understand your perspective here. Do you want Democrats to change or not? Because if sounds like whenever someone addresses the issue you knee-jerk into "I'm BeInG aTtAcKeD!!!"
  It needs to be said. That's all there is to it.
- Yes I will blame the ultra progressives who annoy me almost as much as maga. Ya’ll just love to “talk” about change but you just cause more chaos for dems. Hope you enjoy living under MAGA because of your fucking pride.
  
  Don't worry, he'll live comfortably with himself because all the bad things MAGA will do in the next 4 years and beyond will be the Dems fault. No self reflection or personal accountability will occur.
  
  It's all talk. These people are just lazy and their heroes are lazy. I pointed out to someone earlier that Jill Stein was not an option on the Indiana ballot even as a write-in because candidates have to be declared as write-ins. And all Jill Stein's campaign had to do to be a write-in on the Indiana ballot was file a two-page form. That's it. They threw a big fit and tried to show that it wasn't true by pointing out a court case where the Greens and Libertarians sued to be on the ballot properly, not just as a write-in.
  Just pure laziness. They weren't willing to put in an effort, they just posted endless rude and harassing things online for months and did nothing to help.
  
  Is there any evidence to support the claim that ultra-progressives caused Harris to lose?
  @politicalmemes
  
  Quick google search and you can for it yourself.
  I’ll just post the very first link
  https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-wins-election-results-2024-progressive-democrats-rcna178206
  
  Perceived leftward shift. The Democrats aren't that left wing in the first place. If democrats are going to be perceived as too left wing regardless of reality, they might as well take on some left-wing policies, so they can at least bribe voters with stuff that obviously and immediately makes things better for them like UBI.
  If you're suggesting throw LGBTQ people under the bus, that is just wrong. What would we be fighting for at that point?
  @politicalmemes
  
  You're mad, we get it. Still, if you're not even wondering if Dems did the wrong thing by forcing Harris as the candidate then we're not going to win next time either. We had Progressive Obama win in convincing fashion twice, followed by three neoliberals in a row with only one of them being able to eke out a win. That should paint a pretty clear picture of what we need to do to win going forward and it's not trying the same fucking thing for a fourth time in a row.
  
  I don’t really give two damns about your reasons. You want Trump in office? You got him.
  I’m already rich so putting Trump in office only helps people like me. Thanks man, keep it up!

The Gaza problem is as good as solved now.

Now Israel can definitely get through their final solution.
- Don't worry, we'll get our own here in the U.S., and people will just watch it happen.
Unfortunately yeah

Because i can’t see how it’s an actual serious argument when you have a multiply adjudicated criminal who ran an objectively bad campaign. This wasn’t a marginal low-turnout election won by only the terrible structure of the electoral college, this was a large number of people who looked at Trump and agreed.

Or a picture of Jill Stein saying: Christmas came early I got a bonus from Russia.

The one time you had the chance to actually stop fascism, you decided to not do it.

And now you blame those that tried to?

I really hope you're happy with Trump. Because you helped elect him.

This is the third election in a row that Trump ran for president. Are you saying he wasn't fascist before?

Put up a better candidate then, it's not like Jill Stein or Cornel West wasn't in the primary race, where were you to vote for them over Biden? You had options, you just didn't bother to put up a better candidate.

You are never going to have a perfect candidate on every issue to represent everyone left of fascism in the US. And this line of "run a better candidate" just means you never actually cared in the first place. Enjoy the fascism from your high horse.
Just gutted by the amount of people that would rather watch the world burn than have to vote for someone that didn't match their 1 issue 100%, and knowing the alternative was 100% worse on all options.
- I voted Harris because I know Palestinians are going to be worse off under Trump. These people screaming about genocide can never give a good alternative candidate. I'm just calling it out.
Not in a lot of states they weren't