Germany's Greens would deliver Taurus missiles to Ukraine
Germany's Greens would deliver Taurus missiles to Ukraine
Germany's Economy Minister Robert Habeck, who is currently the Green Party's chancellor candidate in the upcoming elections, said that if elected, he would send Taurus cruise missiles to Ukraine.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has repeatedly asked his allies for long-range weapons so that the Ukrainian military can attack Russian logistics centers and military bases far behind the front line and within Russian territory.
But until now, Chancellor Olaf Scholz has chosen not to supply Taurus cruise missiles, saying they could enable Ukraine to also hit targets in the Russian capital Moscow.
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Meanwhile, French President Emmanuel Macron reacted to the Russian air barrage on Ukraine, saying that Russian President Vladimir Putin "does not want peace and is not ready to negotiate."
"It's clear that President Putin intends to intensify the fighting," Macron said.
He made the remarks as he prepared to leave Argentina to attend the G20 Summit in Brazil.
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The French president, however, said Ukraine's allies "must remain united .... on an agenda for genuine peace, that is to say, a peace that does not mean Ukraine's surrender."
Macron highlighted that his country's priority was to "equip, support and help Ukraine to resist."
It's kind of ironic and pretty bitter. The Greens were founded by environmentalists and pacifists.
Their slogan was "never again war, never again genocide"And both times they were part of a government coalition, they immediately had to decide on an active involvement in a European war (Yugoslavia and Ukraine).
Cause in both wars, "never again war, never again genocide" wasn't an option.
They had to chose one, and they chose to get involved in the war to stop a genocide.Pacifism doesn't mean you cannot defend yourself or surrender against an attacker.
And that's the whole point here: Ukraine isn't waging a war, they're defending against an invasion.
As would anyone with a working brain.
So your saying they should allow russia to commit genocide on the occupied territories if Ukraine?
If you don't think it's genocide, can we send you and your family to Lugansk where you will be publicly speaking Ukrainian and you will establish an independent orthodox church (OCU).
I don't get what the bitter part is about? The world is a messy place.
Comparing Yugoslavia to Ukraine is not a good comparison. The involvement in the Balkan war was an absolute disaster and the point where the Green party of Germany turned to shit. They didn't become advocates for defending yourself, they're not doing it for the sake of the countries that are being invaded or suffering from war crimes. They're doing it because they became outright transatlantic puppets.
I wish the Greens in my country weren't so utterly useless and simping of Russia.
Be careful what you wish for, the German Greens ditched a good part of their climate policy, they even approved of strip mining away a whole village for brown coal.
In 2023, when Putin shut down gas supply to Germany and Germany needed coal to preserve gas. Also the deal included half of Germanys brown coal power plants to be shut down by 2030, which was all the plants of the company strip mining. Also the village was bought out by the coal company years before the Greens gave the permit to have it demolished.
Just thought the context really matters in this case.
True, they are far from perfect.
But the Greens where I am are against things like building new solar/wind farms, and against infrastructure that connects this renewable energy stuff to the grid. They're against building any new houses.
They're just a NIMBY party cashing in on people thinking they're actually green.
Ukraine wont get Taurus. The system is Germanys part in NATO defense plans and delivering it to Ukraine would compromise that goal.
I wonder why we built all those weapons, is it for protection against the USA? China?
Can't be against Russia can it now?
Wow, that was not a headline I was expecting to see. The sentiment has shifted quite dramatically in the past two years.
At least regarding Germany the truth is the Greens have been pushing for more weapons deliveries almost since the beginning of the war. It has been pretty clear that not delivering Taurus is because Scholz decided so.
The Greens started out as a party of (among other things) the peace movement but quickly realised that vulgar pacifism is a) self-defeating and b) gets exploited by war mongers. In short, you gotta stand up to bullies. They very much backed the Kosovo intervention, and generally are in favour of talking softly but carrying a big stick. With friends, while singing Kumbaya, before aiming it at some genocidal maniac. In short scratch the hippie attitude now it's metal.
Really? The Greens are the most hawkish party in Germany, when it comes to Russia.
Among German parties, the Greens were the most skeptical of Russia for the past ~15 years. But until the war, they were never hawkish. Only days before the war started, foreign minister Baerbock (Greens) said Germany wouldn't deliver weapons. In late January 2022, the government then promised "5000 helmets" (although I think this may have had more to do with the chancellor than the Greens).
TIL: The Green Party has been actively supporting Ukraine for quite some time. I was mostly just thinking of the general atmosphere of political discourse surrounding this topic. Remember that time when it wasn’t even clear that sending weapons is ok.