Pelosi says interim House speaker McHenry has ordered her to vacate her office in the Capitol building
Pelosi says interim House speaker McHenry has ordered her to vacate her office in the Capitol building
Truly the most important thing the interim House speaker should be focusing on right now - petty bullshit while someone is mourning a colleague. /s
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This seems kinda dumb to report on at the moment.
No actual journalism done to dig into this to see why. Maybe he just wanted the office, or maybe he's being political and trying to piss of the dems.
Without additional information, we have no idea if this is a sign of something, or a big nothing burger.
Except he did know that Pelosi was out of town; she didn't vote on the motion to vacate, after all. Furthermore, she is out of town for a rather high-profile funeral. Even if he was within his powers to order this (which is debatable), and he had a valid reason, he could have waited until she came back to do this.
Not just any high-profile funeral. San Francisco is Pelosi's constituency. She represents San Francisco in the House of Representatives, so if any member of Congress has a good excuse to be absent, it's her.
Good point.
Considering that the interim speaker’s only job is to hold votes on the election of a new house speaker, and that no other house business can continue until a new speaker is chosen, this is clearly a petty, political move.
Good point.
That's just false. We're not where we were last January, and the Speaker Pro Tempore can preside over business which isn't electing the new Speaker. That's why we're not currently panicking about the shutdown returning - if you were right, there would be no time to vote on funding the government, and the shutdown would be inevitable.
We're not where we were last January
That's true, all members are sworn in and committees are still in place
and the Speaker Pro Tempore can preside over business which isn't electing the new Speaker.
I don't think that part is true. Every time someone quotes House rules on this, that says that the temporary Speaker can run the chamber, they leave out the bits where the temporary powers are "pending the election of a Speaker". And in this case, "pending" means "in anticipation", and implies that the only thing this temporary Speaker can do is call to elect a permanent one.
The House is the final authority of it's own rules. If they say the Speaker Pro Tempore can conduct house business, then he can. End of discussion.
Not quite. The Constitution says that there must be a Speaker, chosen by its members. The Speaker Pro Tem was picked by a single member, the outgoing speaker, based on a list he provided prior to exiting. He does not meet the Constitutional requirement to fill the chair, and will not unless the entire body chooses him.
He is Speaker for the present. Constitutionally he fulfills the position of speaker of the house. At this point the house can decide how they want to proceed.
Constitutionally he fulfills the position of speaker of the house.
No, he does not.
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker
That implies a vote among the whole membership, not some list some guy made.
The house has chosen the new speaker. He is an interim because of the agreement of the house to hold another vote at some point. But he is for all intents and purposes the new speaker. The house members voted to replace the former speaker with a temporary one, that is how they chose. Additionally the voting system can be anything the house wants it to be. If the house says that the current speaker gets to choose the new speaker, that would fulfill the requirement. There is not specific method the house has to use to choose the new speaker.
They could have foot race, and the winner of that foot race is the new speaker. Totally constitutionally legal. They can also choose a new speaker in any manner they wish.
As far as how the current speaker of the house was chosen. From the public timeline of the The House (reverse chronological order):
04:46:55 PM The House received a message from the Acting Clerk. The Acting Clerk notified the House that the Honorable Patrick T. McHenry is the first name on the letter he received pursuant to clause 8(b)(3)(B) of rule I.
04:46:33 PM The Chair announced that the Office of the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives is hereby declared vacant.
04:45:30 PM H. Res. 757 On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 216 - 210 (Roll no. 519).
https://ethics.house.gov/sites/ethics.house.gov/files/documents/117-House-Rules-Clerk.pdf clause 8(b)(3)(B) of rule I
"(A) In the case of a vacancy in the Office of Speaker, the next Member on the list described in subdivision (B) shall act as Speaker pro tempore until the election of a Speaker or a Speaker pro tempore. Pending such election the Member acting as Speaker pro tempore may exercise such authorities of the Office of Speaker as may be necessary and appropriate to that end. (B) As soon as practicable after the election of the Speaker and whenever appropriate thereafter, the Speaker shall deliver to the Clerk a list of Members in the order in which each shall act as Speaker pro tempore under subdivision"
So to translate. According to the rules of the current session of congress (117th) that was ratified by the house of representatives after they were seated in January 2022. If the Speaker has been declared vacant by the majority of representatives, then Rule 1 Section 8 will be invoked. So that list that "some guy" made, is the actual and constitutional next speaker of the house. End of story. There is nothing magic about it. It was just the agreed upon rules of this congress from 10 months ago.
This is so, so wrong. The motion was to "vacate the chair", not to play musical chairs. The chair is still vacant. There is no constitutionally empowered Speaker, just a guy the House agrees can help it choose the next one, once he gets around to it.
Is that PowerCrazy guy still arguing about it? I blocked his nonsense so I can only assume that’s what’s happening here.
edit: tbf, it could be someone or something else
Can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink. I hope you don't vote.
Honestly, we don't know.
This is the first time that the Speaker Pro Tempore position has actually been filled, and it was originally intended to have Congress function after an attack while also providing for a line of succession to the President.
It is expected that the House is going to need to elect a new Speaker, as that election is going to impact how the House runs itself.
They can just give the Speaker Pro Tempore more powers like that?
Why bother with electing a new Speaker then?
A new speaker is constitutionally required, however the Speaker Pro Tempore fulfills that constitutional requirement. Once that requirement has been filled, the house is free to run itself in whatever manner it chooses including rearranging the office furniture while the country is on fire.
I'm asking why not just keep the Speaker Pro Tempore? Why have a vote at all?
Because that would allow an ongoing process of just appointing a new Speaker pro tempore by the current Speaker (or current pro tempore), then voting to remove the current Speaker and let the new tempore take over, etc, so the Speaker is never voted in by a majority by both sides. It’s an intentional limit to make sure the current party cannot just keep passing the ball without input from the other side except to remove whoever is currently in the position.
The house can if they want. But presumably some plurality of the house would prefer a different speaker, so that vote will probably happen at some point in the future. It doesn't have to though.
Rep Jim McGovern has expressed some concerns about the validity of all this:
how would he know?
He may want to check the rules that he ratified for the 117th congress (the current congress) because what was suggested 20 years ago isn't what the current rules say.
(3)(A) In the case of a vacancy in the Office of Speaker, the next Member on the list described in subdivision (B) shall act as Speaker pro tempore until the election of a Speaker or a Speaker pro tempore. Pending such election the Member acting as Speaker pro tempore may exercise such authorities of the Office of Speaker as may be necessary and appropriate to that end.
So until a new speaker is elected, the speaker pro tempore has all the authority of the speaker. https://ethics.house.gov/sites/ethics.house.gov/files/documents/117-House-Rules-Clerk.pdf
Did you actually read the text you quoted there?
shall act as Speaker pro tempore until the election of a Speaker or Speaker pro tempore
may exercise such authorities of the Office of Speaker as may be necessary and appropriate to that end.
Have a seat, McGovern knows what he’s talking about, you don’t.
Pending such election the Member acting as Speaker pro tempore may exercise such authorities of the Office of Speaker as may be necessary and appropriate to that end.
Anyway. It's all moot because guess what? The speaker of the house is exercising his authority thereof regardless of the whining of people like you and McGovern.
What part of that sentence do you not understand? It means that he has all authorities of the Speaker to the end of electing a new Speaker. Nothing else. Are you an idiot?
It’s not really a moot point. He’s attempting to exercise power he doesn’t actually have, and as far as I know Pelosi hasn’t actually vacated yet because his power got checked by McGovern.
Someone like yourself complaining about whining is hilarious, you’re probably bitching about Pelosi all the time. And so mad that Trump is on trial for things he did.
Go sit your dumb ass down.
edit:
You may also want to go back and check the context and your claim overall, because in the second screenshot, he first quotes the “necessary and appropriate” portion from the new rules, and then says that such power was narrowly defined in a previous session, and provides a image of that text.
So he quoted both the relevant portion of the new rule, and provided the narrowly defining text when it was first introduced.
So because you think i'm a trump support my use of the term "whining" is hilarious? Sorry to rain on your parade, but I'm a militant leftist, not a trump support. And pelosi fucking sucks too.
Anyway, you may also want to check the official log of the house at house.gov and you will see the Speaker declaring recesses and conducting business. Make sure to let them know that actually the speaker isn't the speaker.
04:47 PM ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE - Pursuant to clause 8(b)(3)(B) of rule I, the Honorable Patrick T. McHenry was designated Speaker pro tempore and the authorities of the Office of Speaker were bestowed upon the Speaker pro tempore to the extent necessary and appropriate until the election of a new Speaker.
There is the declaration, so apparently our congress has collapsed and isn't following The Rules. What are you going to do about it?
You may also want to go back and check the context and your claim overall, because in the second screenshot, he first quotes the “necessary and appropriate” portion from the new rules, and then says that such power was narrowly defined in a previous session, and provides a image of that text.
So he quoted both the relevant portion of the new rule, and provided the narrowly defining text when it was first introduced.
I disagree. This is unusual and newsworthy. The 'why' is given in the article: Speaker Pro Tempore McHenry wants it for "speaker office use". It is rare that news CAN contain any more of a 'why' because we rarely know actual reasons. Sometimes we get BS reasons like "I don't pay taxes because I'm smart" when the truth is closer to "I don't pay taxes because I lie to the IRS, but since those docs are private, you'll never know." Sometimes little birds chirp rumors about underlying reasons over drinks, but it would be negligent for reporters to wait until then to give the public notice that something is up.
Update: CNN says Kevin McCarthy is responsible for moving Pelosi and Hoyer out of their offices and it was done as 'real estate revenge' and Kevin is moving IN to Pelosi's office. They say an anonymous republican source told them, "Kevin is on a revenge tour. Patrick would never do that on his own. This was Kevin's call."