/News mods define anti-Zionism as racism
/News mods define anti-Zionism as racism
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/News mods define anti-Zionism as racism
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Sorry for not seeing this earlier. Work was hell today.
Your correct. This isn't racism. I'm reinstating your comment now.
Thanks
I left .world a while ago, I didn't leave Reddit to put up with the same bullshit on Lemmy
Yeah the mods of the news Community being in favor of fascism doesn't surprise me.
Conflating zionist state of israel with the jewish people is anti-semitism. Israel does not represent all jewish people worldwide.
I agree. How do we get the world to recognize that fact?
Genuinely asking, because seeing the Australian government bow to Zionist pigs over this is really tiring me out.
#MODS MODS THIS MAN RIGHT HERE 😭
Zionists occupying Gaza is itself anti-semitic, as the occupied residents are mostly semitic peoples. And there is absolutely a racial component.
I mean... it's an illegitimate state after all.
It can't be racism unless you first admit it's an ethnostate.
That's actually a really good catch.
If Israel is an ethnostate, then saying "Israel did something bad" is now by default saying "Jews here did something bad."
And it works for their "anything calling us out is antisemitic" and the people who think being Anti-Zionism are antisemitic.
It helps deflect any claim. South Africa wishes it had that idea.
PTB
Zionists are on the wrong side of history
Whats PTB?
From the sidebar:
Some acronyms you might see.
- PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
- YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
- BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
- CLM - Clueless mod: The mod probably just doesn’t understand how their software works.
What a group of assholes to down vote you for asking. It's pulmonary tuberculosis. I mean that's the main thing that comes up when searching. It took a couple minutes to find "powers that be" and I'm not sure that that fits perfectly with the flow, or that it would be the most common acronym. I'd assume based on the context of the thread. On the other hand "please text back" is probably more commonly used.
PTB. .world's stances continue to be completely indistinguishable from State Department propaganda. I guess it was only a matter of time until the mods started cracking down on anti-Zionism. Fully expect to see them ban someone for promoting BDS next.
Would be hillarious if they put an anti-BDS clause in the .world terms of service.
Honestly, they should just make users recite the Pledge of Allegiance to sign up.
What a shocker that someone banned from a community for trolling and sharing misinformation is here to let everyone know that said community is bad.
You wouldn't be complaining about this at all if it was .ml banning someone.
.world is a festering mess of liberalism, you say?
Colour me surprised.
The place that banned all criticism of Biden/Harris and then wondered where all the critics went, justifying their bad beliefs that all of them were bots? Yeah I wonder why its a shitlib utopia.
It's wild how .world has somehow managed to become an even worse reddit lmao
Not that wild when you remember how often they defend transphobia, genocide, capitalism, wanted "both sides" for things like flat world cranks, and then defend the users who moderate communities that stifle disagreement with these concepts.
I'm saying it's wild how they got to the point of doing all that shit in the first place. And now there's an even worse reddit.
After everyone pointed out how terrible the flat earth idea was did they ever do their updated version?
Or was that just their way of saying look away as we still do what everyone hated
I can sort of see how they got there, but I don't think any nation has the right to exist. I'm sure if you swapped it with any other nation they wouldn't remove it.
PTB from flat.world as usual.
Francesca Albanese puts it well. A people have a right to exist.
An apartheid ethnosupremacist state built on, and still doing, genocide and settler Colonialism, certainly doesn't. Chattel Slavery America and Apartheid South Africa don't exist anymore, it's more than time for Israel to join them.
Ethno-states run by power-tripping pigs have no right to exist.
PTB.
That said you're biting obvious bait - a good chunk of those discussions boil down to ambiguous words referring to both actual human beings and states/governments, to defend the later as if it was an attack on the former.
Yes, people called Israel exist.
But from the thread the comment was placed in, it should be clear I was talking about the apartheid colonizing Palestine. Not a persons right to existence
It was clear for me, too. However, a lot of people struggle to tell apart two things when you use the same word to refer to them, and that's one of those cases.
My suggestion in this regard is to always use "state of Israel" instead. You'll still get some bans, but it becomes harder for supporters of the genocidal state to claim "no, ur teh 1 defending genoside".
Is that actually a tolerable opinion in the sense of "paradox of tolerance"? Or is it hate speech that leads to intolerance?
Like "deport all jews from greater palestine" would mean ethnic cleansing which would not be tolerable. The only logical solution seems to be a 1 state solution that would need decades of investment, reeducation, de-nazification and de-radicalization on both sides.
Or said differently, "Palestine doesn't have a right to exist" is not tolerable right?
Historic arguments that wold have been valid 70 years ago are now not useful since the reality is like it is. Something like "USA doesn't have a right to exist, Europeans go home!" doesn't make sense either except in the hypothetical where it would .
South Africa ended a similar system of apartheid and the effects of that, including the beneficiaries of apartheid choosing to leave the country (often to Israel so they could keep doing apartheid) were preferable to keeping the unjust system.
Saying Israel doesn't have a right to exist isn't the same as saying all Jews should be forced to leave. Ideally, if they want to then they should be free to live in a country where Jews and Palestinians have equal rights, including the right to vote, such a country would no longer be an ethnostate and would probably not chose to call itself "Israel."
Saying Israel doesn’t have a right to exist isn’t the same as saying all Jews should be forced to leave.
But it is virtually indistinguishable of what someone would say if they wished for ethnic cleansing. At the very least it sounds like a dog whistle. You could instead say Zionism or apartheid or fascist Israel has no right to exist.
And yeah, my original comment is also virtually indistinguishable from a mealymouthed moderate liberal lol.
'The Russians occupying Crimea cannot be deported that would be ethnic cleansing'. No it would not. There were Nazis occupying Polish houses and they were kicked out after WW2 and sent back where they came from.
'Deport all Jews from Palestine' would be ethnic cleansing as many Jews lived in Palestine before Zionism.
Palestinians have the full right to all their land back. If a European colonist is currently occupying it that is not their problem. The fact that their parents stole it in an ethnic cleansing does not change this in the slightest. Nor does them being Jewish mean that they suddenly get a special antisemitism exception to do colonialism and steal people's houses.
It’s sort of fun to note that many of the people that are always upset and angry about .world moderation are the ones that have been banned for trolling and spreading misinformation there.
It’s almost as if there’s a bias from the people that are always accusing others of bias!
"Hey I got banned for saying genocide is bad, maybe the mods there suck?"
"You're just mad about getting banned, loser!"
That’s a pretty anti-semitic comment
Conflating the actions of Israel with Jews is what’s anti-Semitic. The question I have, is why you hate Jews enough to blame them for what Israel is doing.
/s
YDI
I mean ... That statement itself isn't just anti-zionist. You literally say a whole group of people should not exist. It's only not technically racist because it's a religious slant, not a racial one. It's still hateful.
I am pro-Palestinian, too. That doesn't mean I think all Israelis should die.
Well that’s great, but they didn’t say Israelis should die either, so I dunno why you’re claiming they did.
Nowhere does it say all Israelis should die, it says the nation doesn't have a right to exist.
Those are two different ideas. Like how Israel says Palestine doesn't exist, and also commit genocide to its people. There are nations that don't think Palestine exists and don't do that. Same for Israel.
That's completely ridiculous. How the hell do you get from "Israel doesn't have a right to exist" to "all Israelis should die?" Israel is a state, saying it doesn't have a right to exist is opposing the state, the same way if I said "Nazi Germany doesn't have a right to exist" I'm not calling for everyone in Nazi Germany to be put to death, I'm calling for the elimination of the state.
Israel is a terrorist organization not a group of people.
My statement is the literal definition of anti-Zionism.
Hot take: Both sides suck.
Ah yes... "The genociders and their victims... Both terrible!!!" Genius take. Very common in the imperial core.
"Palestine has no right to exist" might not get you banned over at /News. But it is a wild take.
If u want a news community without power tripping mods I run !news_summary@hilariouschaos.com
Clueless mod.
While the comment definitely needed removal, that's not a form of racism.
https://phys.org/news/2025-04-subreddits-highlights-hidden-ways-speech.html
There can be some arguments made in good faith against existence of Israel.
Israel exists because of one of the last follies of colonial empires before they stopped having enough push for this kind of things. It was created by displacing whole peoples based on agreement made over their heads. Continued existence of Israel has shown that it’s an apartheid expansionist state built on a dangerous mixture of religious zealotry and nationalism.
I think Germans should make their last „sorry guys” and give them some land. I know it wasn’t feasible before because Jews were scared of their oppressors but you can’t say Germans are in any shape or form antisemitic these days. I guess Middle Eastern immigrants in Germany would take an some issue with that but that’s German domestic politics. Then Germans can stop feeling sorry and they can also stop supplying weapons to kill Palestinians.
Sure, but that's different than the dog whistle that is the specific line in question here.
I know, not everyone has the leisure to keep track of all of those. There's just so damn many of them nowadays. And they've spread beyond the people that started using them into the general populace, which means they've been successful in one part of their original intent.
But, the arguments that Israel is a rogue state would be out of scope here, even though I agree with that.
Edit: linking in the brand new study involving dog whistles https://phys.org/news/2025-04-subreddits-highlights-hidden-ways-speech.html
I'm not talking out my ass
While the comment definitely needed removal
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Sure.
The only people that regularly say that Israel doesn't have a right to exist are stirring shit, it isn't a good faith argument. It never, ever, leads to a good conversation where everyone stays chill and on topic.
There's the implication that jews have no right to a homeland of some kind, which is probably why they attributed it to racism (antisemitism), but it isn't necessarily about that. It could be, I don't know your stance in that regard, but it's definitely anti Israeli, which is a fairly pernicious loophole, imo.
If you're saying that no nation has a right to exist, fine, cool, maybe saying that would have been a better choice. But you can't pretend you don't know that that rhetoric is also slung around by antisemites.
Now, I gotta add my usual warning here. This community isn't the place to debate the issue itself. I'm not going to go any further than what's needed to explain my opinion regarding PTB or not. There's a solid community for continuing to debate topics that get locked, and others for political debates in general, if that's your bag.
Edit: dog whistles and how they spread is not a new idea. I didn't come up with it. And, busy today This was released.
Anyone thinking that dog whistles shouldn't be removed by mods is blind. It's a major problem on the internet. It doesn't matter who or what the dog whistle targets, it's the fact that it is a tool of bigotry that spreads like a disease, even through places and people that aren't bigots. That's the problem with coded language. It's viral and pernicious.
The fact that anyone even saw the need to try and study it should be a clear indicator that when a mod, or a user scrolling by, sees a dog whistle in the wild like this, it can't just be shrugged off as unimportant.