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  • Liberals often call Leftists excluding liberals from the Left "purity testing," as though the difference is merely in quantitative degrees, rather than qualitative. If the difference between Leftists and libetals is indeed merely quantitative, wanting the same thing but in greater or lesser extents, then the Liberals would be correct, however opposition to Capitalism itself and support for Socialism fundamentally represents a qualitative shift.

    For Leftists, Social Democracy, or Welfare Capitalism, isn't actually a solution. The countries seen as "success stories" like the Nordics rely on Imperialism, they aren't closed loop economies. Further, their conditions are deteriorating as wealth concentrates. Leftists therefore aren't letting "perfect" be the enemy of "good," it's that Liberalism is built on a brutal system of international plunder, and is on a death spiral as liberal countries increasingly pivot more to the right. Climate Change is still an existential threat. Liberalism isn't a solution.

    That's why there's friction between progressive liberals and Leftists.

    • Liberals often call Leftists excluding liberals from the Left “purity testing,”

      Far more often than not, what I see is a Liberal electoralist showing up at a Leftist direct action event and saying "Please vote for my favorite guy" and getting told to fuck off. This is inevitably because their favorite guy just endorsed the "$50B for More Gaza Genocides Act of 2025" and then pissed all over the PRO Act, the GND, and student debt relief as unaffordable boondoggles that would hurt working class people.

      Then the liberal calls them antisemitic Russian bots who love the Chinese Communist Party more than their own mothers, storms off, and discretely makes a call to ICE to raid their activist clubhouse. A week later, they're online complaining about how Leftists are too divisive and hate freedom.

      For Leftists, Social Democracy, or Welfare Capitalism, isn’t actually a solution.

      I think there are an enormous number of Leftists who - when presented with a solid mix of social democratic reforms and civil rights protections - are happy enough to get on a progressively liberal bandwagon. What I haven't seen is progressive liberalism at the head of the Democratic Party. Far more often than not, its the same crop of corporate goons and inter-party bureaucratic careerist worms pushing "Business First" economic policy and white nationalist social policy, regardless of who is in the White House. The only real difference is whether you get a weepy Samantha Powers or an ice-chewing Steve Bannon providing the PR for the latest wedding party bombing run or surveillance state blank check.

      Show me some actual fucking Social Democracy to get behind. Show me some Welfare Capitalism that isn't means-tested and gatekept to the point of being functionally worthless to any American within spitting distance of the poverty line. Leftists can't be lured into the waiting arms of a plutocrat friendly Mixed Economy if all anyone offers is a bigger DHS and $20k market-interest loans to three-year-old minority owned small businesses.

      Liberalism is built on a brutal system of international plunder, and is on a death spiral as liberal countries increasingly pivot more to the right. Climate Change is still an existential threat. Liberalism isn’t a solution.

      Even the most successful communist states weren't above indulging in extraction industry and sloppy emissions standards. Hell, both the USSR and the CCP were notoriously shit on environmental standards all through the 70s and 80s. It took a big internal backlash within the Chinese proletariat to get mayors, governors, and eventually national leaders to recognize the threat of environmental degradation to long term social cohesion. And Russians never got a chance to learn environmentalism, because they were Shock Doctrine'd into a Saudi style petro state.

      Still debatable whether Chinese bureaucrats have come around on overseas extraction, too. Certainly, the domestic labor practices vary heavily by industry. And Chinese labor expats are as abused as anyone from the Global South.

      But it does appear that these big seemingly rigid and overly-bureaucratic communist systems are receptive to some demands for reform. The ship is large and slow. The progress is gradual. Whether or not we'll see big socialist states fully divest from fossil fuels and extend labor rights beyond their more privileged labor sectors in time to save the planet is speculative at best. But they do seem to be moving in the right direction.

      Liberals seem to be collapsing back into a 19th century state of labor and ecology. Even in defiance of economic and social pressures, there is this ideological impulse towards degraded working conditions and deteriorating ecology. As someone who grew up in a deeply neoliberal neighborhood, it seems to defy the bedrock theories of liberal politics. All these pressures arrayed against it, and the so-called technocratic pragmatists are on a total dogmatic bender, intent on making the worst decisions possible in outright defiance of reason, popular opinion, and profit motive.

      How can any Leftist stand behind that?

  • "Erm acturally thats tankie propaganda, dont you know our Good Guy Candidate™ isnt Fascist he's actually Fascist Lite™ which is totally different. Yes he's going to blindly support genocide, yes he's going to support imperialism, and no he wont do a damn thing to help the workers, but you see these silly graphs we made up say the economy is going and therefore our guy is qualified. Now blindly support the candidate and the party or I'll downvote you and call you a Tankie or a Russian bot."

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  • The only actual job of the DNC is to suck up all the space and oxygen that a real left needs to grow, and rubber stamp every oppressive police measure they think they have to in order to secure the profits of the rich at the expense of all other life on Earth. The best of them are self-deluding soft exterminationists at this point, and the bulk of the party has apparently dispensed with even that fig leaf and embraced a kind of haughty, blue fascist schadenfreude regarding the people it failed to browbeat into supporting genocide. It's genuinely the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my life after the killing itself. The Democratic party is pathologically incapable of taking any responsibility for it's action, has no desire to change anything, and is actively, dangerously hostile to all living beings, first and foremost human beings outside America. Nothing better will be allowed to grow unless it is thoroughly dismantled alongside the Republican party and most of the rest of the US government.

  • Fuck the lesser of two evils. I choose good.

      • "Purity politics and single issue voters are so toxic! All I said is we need to support an active genocide, fund more wars, keep kids in cages, ignore COVID, and do nothing about the cost of living going up with wages going down. Why does the left want to alienate people like me?!"

      • DEMS: You have to understand we need to eat the shit. If we dont eat the shit the other guy is going to smear it on your face and the faces of your children. So, you see, eating the shit is necessary so that we dont have to smear it over more people's faces.

        Me: how the fuck are the only choices shit? Why dont we just not eat the shit and not have everyone horrified of us?

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