ICE Bulls**t Can Happen To You Too

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I never want to hear another American lecture about the importance of "freedom of speech".
- "At least we're not in China" mfs increasingly in shambles over the last year (I was one of them)
  
  America will increasingly mirror China in a lot of its worst ways now.
  Like shooting for the moon and landing among the stars, President Trump is aiming for North Korea, in his efforts to make Americans obediently treat him like a God, he's gonna land somewhere between Beijing and Vladivostok.
  He is building a police state that trumps the word of law and treats Trump's word as law.
- I came here to quote this. Its like they know we have a detestable, rotten president and are insecure about it or something.
- Take it easy, these are traitors to the Constitution.
  
  Take it easy, these are traitors to the Constitution.
  Cool. Anything being done to stop them?

Its nothing new tbh. C.K Chesterton is quoted about his entry into the US:
I have stood on the other side of Jordan, in the land ruled by a rude Arab chief, where the police looked so like brigands that one wondered what the brigands looked like. But they did not ask me whether I had come to subvert the power of the Shereef; and they did not exhibit the faintest curiosity about my personal views on the ethical basis of civil authority.

Be advised: going through this is a high-stakes form of bullying, plain and simple.
This is about exercising a power dynamic, with the thin-veil of legitimacy that security operations provide. Your suffering is how the very worst get their rocks off.
Do exercise a strong self-defense and be prepared for these scenarios.
Do be prepared for retaliation when your preparedness suddenly makes an agent's job hard.
Do have a contingency plan that involves action by outsiders.
Don't rely on the ability to exercise your autonomy when in captivity; they will make sure that's rendered moot.
- As a law abiding citizen, I honestly wouldn't know what to do in this situation. I would probably provide whatever was asked and have my rights exploited by the customs officer.
  Guess I should look this up before traveling abroad again.
  
  Traveling to the USA, Russia, Turkey, China and North Korea.
- Sleep deprivation is often used on people in such situations. Which is why what you are saying is so important: be prepared for it.

Ain't a whole lot of that illegal without a warrant? Never consent to searches, even if you're innocent.

I guess this is making America "great" right? This is how great nations treat their residents/visitors/citizens?
The story closely matches Hasan's, which leads me to believe it's accurate...
Ask yourself why they'd be collecting information about these peoples' political opinions. What do you think comes next?

It is my promise that if I every have standing to sue for violation of my constitutional rights, any agents of law enforcement or the government involved will be married to my case for years. I will not let it go. I will not settle. I will be a fucking problem. You'll think of my name when you're lying in bed at night. If you're reading this right now on my phone that you confiscated for no justifiable legal cause, you've been warned.
- You'll get nowhere because of the Border search exemption
  
  "Ohhhhhh, you actually believed all that freedom crap? Lol. Lmao. We've got about three thousand asterisks and terms and conditions apply on every part of the bill of rights."
  They've so thoroughly built in so many shitty little backdoors into the constitution that it's basically just a joke that only rich people are in on at this point.
  
  So they can force you to unlock your phone?

NZ has a exercise caution advisory for USA......
I personally have a "don't risk it" advisory; especially if you are anything other than white.
- The white thing doesn't really apply anymore. A white immigrant family have been targeted by ICE. NO ONE is safe.
  We are all in this together
  
  Totally agree, no one is safe. But some are less safe than others.
- I'm white, and I'm terrified of trying to come back to the United states. I'm never leaving unless I'm not coming back.
- During the Floyd riots, a lot of countries warned their citizens of going to the states. I imagine that list has gotten MUCH larger since.
  
  But this is New Zealand, 5 eyes partner New Zealand....you have to fuck up; pretty bad; to get us to look sideways at the USA.
- Other countries with updated warnings and asking people to double check paperwork, valid visa might not work, etc.: Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, UK, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Ireland and China. And I probably missed several.
- to be fair though, that says it’s for increased risk of terrorism
  they also list the detention and strict entry requirement stuff along with gun crime and violence etc (same as aus), but doesn’t look like the actual advisory is for that (although it really really should be)

That's a fucking awful situation.
And unfortunately I might be in the same boat soon. I'm planning to visit family outside the country, and for the return flight I'm gonna be taking an old phone that I've cleaned of anything remotely useful for them as an excuse for their fascist bullshit. But I've left all the mundane bullshit that would be on a normal phone, text messages from siblings saying "food", cat pictures, random games, etc. So it won't look like a burner phone for the most part. So I can just give them the phone if they ask and it won't matter.
But I still need access to my shit, so I've set up my desktop at home for ssh with termux. I can see them using this an excuse as well, but it's probably the best I can get it without giving them potentially direct access to my password vault, messages, etc. I'm still debating if it is worth trying to remember my IP and port so there's even less for them to see.
If anybody's got better suggestions I'm open to them.
Oblgitory: fuck this fascist ass country
- I’m still debating if it is worth trying to remember my IP and port so there’s even less for them to see.
  Treat confiscation of your devices like an attack. Any indications of where to attack next is a potential vulnerability, even if it's secured.
  
  Is generating a long password that you can't remember and set it as a password for your device then save it inside some cloud service that you can login to later plausible?
- Just write the IP down on a sticky note. Then throw it away before you board your home flight.
  
  That's a good idea, I might do that, or something similar.

And this is why standard practice now should be to have all devices turned completely off with all FaceID/ fingerprint unlocking features turned off before you enter any US customs hall. They cannot compel you to tell them your password, but they can use faceID to open your phone.
Also, after being detained, you only know one word and that word is “lawyer.”
- Saying "lawyer lawyer lawyer lawyer lawyer" does not get you a lawyer. Your language should be explicit and specific.
  I am invoking my 5th and 6th amendment rights. I will remain silent until an attorney is present.
  Then remain silent. Anything less can and will be twisted into you not invoking or even you waiving your rights. That actually happens.
  
  See, for example, this case from Louisiana where the defendant said, "Why don't you just give me a lawyer, dawg," and the state Supreme Court found this to be an ambiguous request as there is no such thing as a "lawyer dog."
- Iirc they can compel you to provide passwords at the border. You have far fewer rights at the border than once in the country
  
  They can "compel" whatever they want. It's amazing how quickly someone can forget their password when stressed out.
  
  Yup. They can detain you, take your phone, and just break into it. At best you leave without your electronics. At worst you don't get to leave. At extra worst, you leave to El Salvador.
  https://papersplease.org/wp/2018/01/05/new-dhs-policy-on-demands-for-passwords-to-travelers-electronic-devices/
  
  Not sure about ICE, but FBI can only compel biometrics, not a passkey or PIN.
  For iPhone, tap the power button five times and it will lock out FaceID and require the PIN.

I WOULD say "call the police and report him missing" as this is absolutely the scenario for it, but.... well, that ain't actually gonna help for shit, is it?
- That is what she should've done as soon as he wasn't answering for an extended period of time. I'm not victim blaming, I'm just making sure everyone understands how important time is on missing persons. People get abducted at airports. It happens. There has been a lot of propaganda over the last few years (moreso back in 2020) about how we need to save our children that really over dramatized a lot of aspects of human trafficking, but it is still a very real thing that does happen and it does happen at airports as well. But even if it that wasn't the concern, when someone is missing report them as missing.
  
  In the Netherlands someone can only go missing if there has been no contact for 24h or there is a sign/some evidence of something bad happening. Police could easily say "well, maybe his phone died, try again tomorrow" but I don't if the protocol is similar in the US.
- more likely to get him shot at this point

Horrifying

My wife's grandma passed away in her homeland and she can't even attend the funeral over this shit. She's got a green card and doesn't even have socials, but these assholes have ruined travel.
Except prices, interesting side effect when demand is so low, it's cheaper than it's been in a decade during peak season. Still don't recommend, but thought it a funny but sad observation.

My mom is flying back to America tomorrow. I guess I'm about to find out how cool she is on Facebook whether I like it or not. And I tried so hard not to know...
- If I were to travel, I’d bring a newly restored phone with nothing on it. These bastards, man. They’re sick.
  
  That's mighty suspicious of you.. What are you hiding?!
- Man, probably don't be crossing borders in these uncertain times.
  You got 2 options:
  Remain in the US until the situation is fixed (new president who isn't a fucking fascist, is sworn in, and reverse the damages)
  or
  Emigrate with the plan being to leave the US permanently
  
  I’m calling it now, the next Democrat President or Congress majority will be in zero hurry to reverse any of the recent hard right moves.
  
  I did #2 four years ago. It took a minute for my family to see why. Now it's damn near too late and they're stuck hoping #1 is viable.
- She should unironically wipe her phone, particularly if she's ever criticized Republicans on Facebook.
- at this point its safer to make fake pro trump messages of fb.
  
  Weird Flex, but ok.

So far, how many people have been held up by ICE? What's the percentage? it would be hilarious if they were having more issues entering USA than China or NK
- Every time I post this it's a fresh search. He's been in there for months now.
- Sometimes, a country undergoing autocratization can be worse than an already established autocratic regime.
  In between Democracy and Autocracy is valley of bloodshed.
  
  I disagree
- China wants you to come in they have much better spy networks

boy, trump is trying to do everything he can to discourage immigration, isn't he?
- Except from white South Africans.
  
  White $outh Africans
  
  Apartheid-ists