Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said Thursday he is "thinking seriously" about dropping his affiliation with the Democratic Party and becoming an independent.
Why it matters: Manchin has made a career out of proclaiming his independence from D.C. Democrats. But his latest comments have added significance, given his public flirtation with a possible third party presidential bid in 2024.
What he's saying: "I'm thinking seriously," Manchin told West Virginia radio host Hoppy Kercheval, adding, "I have to have peace of mind, basically. The brand has become so bad. The D brand and R brand ... You've heard me say a million times, I am not a Washington Democrat."
Pressed on how seriously he is approaching the idea, Manchin said he has "been thinking about that for quite some time" and wants to "make sure that my voice is truly an independent voice."
Manchin said he hasn't "made any decisions," telling Kercheval, "When I get ready to make a decision, I'll come see you."
The backdrop: Manchin has been dropping hints for months that he may follow the lead of Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (I-Ariz.), who announced her switch to independent in December but still caucuses with Democrats.
Asked about becoming an independent later that month during a CBS News interview, Manchin said, "I'll let you know later what I decide to do, but right now I have no intention of changing anything."
There were rumors as far back as 2021 that Manchin may bolt the party – though he dismissed them then as "bull****."
What we're watching: Manchin faces an uphill reelection battle in a state that voted for former President Trump by nearly 40 percentage points in 2020. The frontrunner in the GOP primary for his seat is popular Gov. Jim Justice.
Manchin has spent the last year distancing himself from President Biden and fellow Democrats, repudiating parts of the Inflation Reduction Act and even threatening to oppose Biden's Environmental Protection Agency nominees.
He may also decide to go another way. He headlined a New Hampshire town hall last month hosted by No Labels, a centrist group that is laying the groundwork for a potential third party presidential ticket.
Biden and Clinton are center-right democrats. Buttigieg is center-right to center. Bloomberg is a right wing democrat. Warren and Sanders are center left to left. Tulsi Gabbard is not on the chart. Manchin and Sinema are not on the chart.
They should pull his funding and his assignments and send them where they can do more good. The republicans shot themselves in the foot by overplaying the culture war thing. They lost on abortion in almost every race. Shit, they lost on an off year special ballot initiative in freaking Ohio just because it would pertain to abortion in a future election - it wasn’t even mentioned on the ballot, even though they tried to deny it was about preventing a popular vote on keeping abortion legal. Everyone just knows by now that they’re lying about that kind of thing, because they just can’t back away from the issue.
Framing No Limits as a “centrist group” would be hilarious if they weren’t such a danger to America. No Limits exists to be a spoiler candidate to get Trump elected. After all, Harlan Crow—Clarence Thomas’ billionaire BFF and massive Republican donor—is a major contributor to No Limits.
Progressives were right about him. Any centrist Democrat who spent any time at all pretending his shit didn't stink: don't you dare start speaking ill about him now. He's exactly the same piece of shit you knowingly defended for years because he was killing progressive legislation for you.
The last presidential election WV voted blue in was in 1996.
I'm pretty certain he's the only remaining Democrat in statewide office there. The state has been moving really far Republican in recent years. Trump got over 68% of the vote.
The other senator, a Republican, got 62% of the vote in 2014 after Rockefeller retired, and 70% in 2020 against a Sanders-endorsed progressive.
Manchin obviously isn't progressive, and has never been progressive. I'm not sure that he would have survived until now if he were. Is having an independent Manchin worse than the likely alternative of having a Republican replacement? He votes with the Democrats about 87% of the time, while Capito does only 56%.
As someone with progressive ideals, fuck Manchin. He's utterly detestable. Provided he doesn't stab us in the back though, I will very unhappily advocate for his reelection however. None of the bills thus far could've passed with McConnell as majority leader, and if Manchin wasn't there, that's what we'd be looking at. The slimeball even authored part of the Inflation Reduction Act, which he's trying to distance himself from.
So long as he keeps voting Democrat, I'll reluctantly consider him an asset -- an asset that'll trash talk Democrats, vote against Democrat goals, and vote for shit heel Republican supreme court justices. Even as a Democrat with the most liability, he's worth it just to keep the Senate. I utterly detest McConnell far more than I dislike Manchin.
Of course all of this goes out the window if he completely betrays us or we find a viable candidate to replace him. Until as we find another Democrat who can win in WV, we're stuck with him, unfortunately.
Since he'd become an independent who caucuses with the democrats, it wouldn't change the balance of power in the senate even if there were still a 50/50 split. Sanders, Angus King, and Sinema are already independents who causus with the democrats.
He's going to lose his seat, and he isn't supporting anything worthwhile on the democratic agenda. Democrats need to defend 23 seats vs 11 for the Republicans, and Manchin is going to be a red seat regardless of whether he wins or loses. If they retain the Senate, it will be because of a massive blue turnout, and those blue voters are not enthusiastic about Manchin.
Her move to leave was blatant self interest. Polls showed she was going to lose a primary in a landslide. She has no chance in hell of winning re-election. She's just hoping to be a spoiler at this point.
The wolf tries and fails to charade as a sheep, manchin doesn't try a charade he just plays lip service and everyone goes "uh huh, sure" and we move on.
Actually, I think this is the only reason he hasn't been hung by his testicles by the rest of the Democrat party. It is literally the one and only purpose he serves, as he's been a massive roadblock to virtually all other meaningful legislation.
And what people understand is we still need him for that purpose.
Right now, the Senate is a 51/49 split. If Diane Feinstein kicks the bucket, Manchin and Sinema would literally decide who the Senate Majority leader is. Piss off Manchin and he votes for McConnell, and would you really trust Sinema not to flip votes in exchange for political favors?
Manchin may be almost singlehandedly stopping the Democrat agenda, but it's at least better (Read: slightly less shitty) than stopping the Democrat agenda and installing McConnell as majority leader and sending us backwards.
Personally I don't like him but I would not be surprised if this was a move more because he views a D next to his name on the ballot as a bigger liability than an I. He's not a good let alone great asset but the reality is that he is head am shoulders better than whatever lunatic WV would elect from the GOP. The most important thing to have our of WV is someone Ds can work with and you know you aren't getting that from a R but you can work with Manchin.
I think the Dems are better off cutting him loose and spending the election money in a purple state on a seat they can flip. Tell Manchin to get bent and spend those resources on something that will get you votes in the senate, not drama and extortion.
Besides, whether D or I, he’s going to lose the election. Backing him is just throwing good money after bad. Pull his committee memberships and let him keep a seat warm until he’s voted out.
I mean, yes and no. He's represented WV for the last 20+ years in some form and the coal industry looks him. He's still a good bet to win. Putting more money into a guy like Sherrod Brown to keep one of the OH seats would be great and AZ is a need to win but really what other seat would be a target?
Bernie Sanders has also "left the Democratic party", he's an independent who caucuses with Democrats.
If that's what Manchin is considering, it probably makes him more electable in WV. If he's voting with Democrats on most things like he is now, that sounds like a good thing.
He would have to be incredibly stupid to do so. The only reason he has so much influence is because he's the furthest right Democrat. The second he's no longer a dem, he's just another replaceable right-wing shit head.
Why he hasn’t been kicked out for blocking the alleged dem agenda every step of the way is a bit of a puzzle…until you put the pieces together to realize he’s expertly doing his job.
Because he somehow wins in a location that they believe would vote republican otherwise. He is being held onto just for the needed numbers. If we didn’t keep having such close numbers in congress he would have been primaried a long time ago.
Yeah well, he represents the voter constituents in a state that is historically right leaning so I'd say I agree with you but I'm fairly sure you didn't mean it that way.
If not Manchin, Sinema. If not her, the senate parliamentarian. If not them, repugs will yell at us. If not that, anything they need, to not actually do a damn thing to materially improve the lives of working class people.
If he can find a way to raise money as an independent, the more power to him. Any evidence that politics can be played without satiating the money machine is a good step.