Most Canadians who plan to vote Liberal doing so to stop Conservatives from winning: poll
Most Canadians who plan to vote Liberal doing so to stop Conservatives from winning: poll
Most Canadians who plan on voting for the Liberal party are more motivated to stop the Conservatives from winning the election rather than endorsing the party's vision and leader, according to a new poll released on Monday.
Most Canadians who plan on voting for the Liberal party are more motivated to stop the Conservatives from winning the election rather than endorsing the party's vision and leader, according to a new poll released on Monday.
And this is why the LPC will never pass electoral reform (except for ranked ballot, because they're more likely to be everyone's second choice) because under full PR they'd never, ever, get another majority government despite having tepid support among the voting population. For the record, the CPC wouldn't even support ranked ballots as they're almost never the second choice of anyone (because their policies--when they can be bothered to articulate them--are unpopular, believe it or not)
For the record, no Canadian political party has had >50% of the popular vote in half a century, and even before then it was exceedingly rare. FPtP allows the LPC or CPC to sneak a majority in, anyways.
This is also why the one thing Trudeau could do to make me respect him would be say, "I'm stepping down as leader. My last act as PM is to roll out legitimate proportional representation."
The Liberals are probably not going to win the next election no matter what; but legitimate reform would mean an end to autocratic majorities.
He'd face a full caucus revolt if he tried. I'd expect the Liberals would prefer to lose a vote of confidence than implement PR.
Honestly, I think they'd also rather lose than implement anything remotely economically progressive.
Also changing a majority from 34% to 51%
Instead they should vote for the NDP. The only party that truly cares about the biddle class.
ABC. Anything but conservative. FPTP is winner takes all, so vote for Liberal or NDP depending on who's more likely to get in in your area. And pray to whatever force may be that someone puts in a sensible voting system at some point.
I really feel privileged to live in an area that's NDP vs LPC where I can merrily vote against the Liberals.
Local riding 🔤 it is. 👍
In any case it's the local riding election that matters. Some folks vote as if our system is proportional with completely counterproductive results.
The Liberals and Conservatives love that people believe this country can't survive another election cycle of the other.
We'll survive another 4 years of the Liberals or Conservatives. What this country can't survive is alternating between two bad parties for another few decades.
All our parties are bad and that's what sucks.
What are ya talking aboot? The sale of CN Rail, Experemental Lakes, PEARL, Ontario Power Generation were the best decisions ever! OH WAIT CANT FORGET THE PURCHASE OF THE KINDER MORGHAN PIPELINE /s
Vote NDP if you don’t want Cons to win, if voting Libs worked then this “threat” wouldn’t exist
As much as I hate to admit it, voting for anything other than the liberals right now will be a win for the cons. Popular support for the NDP hasn't shifted from 20% support since 2021, meanwhile the cons are up to ~41% and the libs are down to ~27%.
Ugh this is what my wife told me she was planning yesterday.
Pollievre is so fucking nutty were both worried about the country of he wins.
I cannot stress enough how fucking stupid this guy is, hell take any idea that's popular at the time and run with it, like how he wanted to make Canada the crypto capital and neuter our central bank.
It's pretty fucking clear if we'd done that in 2021 we'd be fucked today. He's still peddling Bank of Canada and World Economic Forum conspiracy shit too. Yet the "fiscal" conservatives are fine with this?
So we've got the status PM quo that's overstayed his welcome by a full election cycle vs 4chan Millhouse. Great. (Oh, sorry, he took off his glasses now, is he still Millhouse?)
And the NDP are also responsible because they're sticking with Singh despite him being as uninspiring as Trudeau. They've only lost seats since picking him, but hey, why not stay the course... It's great the NDP got pharmacare rolling but the implementation is asinine.
"This means just nine per cent of the Canadian electorate is passionate about and inspired by the prospect of voting Liberal," Angus Reid wrote in the report.
What is there to be passionate about? Voting LPC to prevent a CPC government is by this point an established Canadian tradition. 🥹
Ballot reform, for fuck's sake.
Approval Voting is where you check every name you like. Most votes wins. It's genuinely that simple, and there's no good reason what-so-ever it's not the global default.
Wow. It's hard to find a voting system I like less than FPTP, but you've found it! This only makes sense over STV if we don't have computers.
STV only makes sense for multi-winner elections. It fundamentally does not pick the best candidate - just the first who can scrape together sufficient support. A person can be literally everyone's second choice and still lose.
Approval is a straight improvement over FPTP - there is no good reason, at all, to prefer FPTP. It completely eliminates the way similar candidates cannibalize each other's votes. It minimizes self-defeating efforts to be "strategic" by ranking no-chance buttheads higher, or only giving your preferred frontrunner half a vote.
If you're gonna do ranked ballots to pick one candidate then use a Condorcet method.
And this type of disagreement on what sort of system to move to is among the reasons the lukewarm effort Trudeau attempted fizzled out pretty much immediately.
Can there be negative votes? So that not voting matters too
The Liberal Party says "System working exactly as intended!"
I'm lucky, in a sense, that I don't have to make this decision. The only viable candidates in my riding are the Conservatives and the NDP, so I can actually vote my conscience.
Lucky. I can't remember the last time the federal NDP ran a viable candidate in my riding. The last 3 or 4 have been zero experience filler candidates.
As is tradition. If you lean left, how could you vote for Conservatives?
I think you're missing the point. These aren't people who lean left:
Meanwhile, three in five (63 per cent) Liberal supporters said they are more motivated to prevent a Conservative government rather than to support Trudeau and Liberal policies.
It sounds to me like they are fairly middle folks who think the left is closer to the middle than the right is.
Sounds a lot like us here in the ISA. Dems offer nothing but a reprieve from absolute lunatics. No Left movement survives or really even gets started.
With the NDP coalition that's not as true in Canada. Between the national dental care plan that's coming and subsidized childcare, among other things, real left-ish progress is being made. But as usual a) the media isn't always telling a balanced story, b) government comms are shit, and c) the Liberals keep fucking up in visible, spectacular, and stupid ways, which distracts from genuine victories.
Which, come to think of it, does echo the Biden administration over the last four years...
ISA
Inhospitable States Alliance?
That's the one!
We have other options. Especially in Québec.
What's new?
🎶 Same as it ever was 🎵
This is exactly why Trudeau went back on his promise of election reform, and why we will also get stuck with a conservative government if he tries to run again with all the baggage he has.
I think he "went back" because he knows very well that in order to do electoral reforms, he would need to open the constitution and that would be extremely messy, if not the end of Canada.
Every time we even think about changing the constitution, it's endless national drama.
If the LPC dropped Trudeau tomorrow I'd vote for the LPC.
Since he's still party leader, I'll be throwing my vote to anyone else that seems even marginally more competent than Trudeau and his top clowns in the LPC.
Narrow your search by who can
- get elected
- deliver on their platform
- which is positive for Canada
Suddenly you have no options.
My only option right now is to not vote for trudeau.
I would rather we have a minority government where no one current party has serious power than allow the LPC or CPC a majority with their current leadership.
If no one can step up to do the job, then get used to being forced to get along, IMO.
We need a speaker of the house that treats these incompetent malcontents like the children they act out as.
I’m not Canadian so this is a genuine question, what has Truduae done to earn such resentment?
He's been PM during times of hardship. That's pretty much it. That and Conservatives parroting for the last 5 years that every single thing wrong in this country is directly and individually Trudeau's fault.
Most things blamed on Trudeau are either international events affecting every country, or stuff that's actually under the jurisdiction of the (mostly Conservative) provincial governments or municipalities.
He has done some things that are actually worth resenting, but most Canadians criticising Trudeau don't give a fuck about blackface or corruption scandals, they just want to whine about carbon tax and minorities.
He has (depending on your POV) been involved in a lot of scandals or been hit by a lot of smear campaigns. To name a few (and in the interest of fairness the good faith counter argument I have heard):
- He flew in the Helicopter of politically powerful Imam. This could have been considered quid pro quo and resulted in a 500 dollar fine from out ethics committee. However the Imam and the Trudeau family have been known family friends for a long time, so it is arguably a friendly visit not a work visit.
- He chooses the Governor general, a mostly ceremonial role. He choose the astronaut Julie Payette who was fired/resigned due to workplace harassment and creating a toxic work environment.
- Elbow gate: Trudeau (clearly accidentally) elbowed a female NDP member, the conservatives claimed that this was assault (this was during the height of the #metoo stuff) and that trudeau should step down, the NDP leader sided with the Conservatives and ultimately resigned from this debacle. I include this to mostly illustrate how aggressive the CPC have been at attacking his character.
- Jaspal Atwal is an indo Canadian who tried to assassinate an Indian politician. Trudeau then invited him to an indian diplomatic dinner. Atwal is a prominent business person with familial ties with Trudeau.
- the SNC lavelin affair. SNC lavelin is one of the largest construction companies in Quebec that did some super corrupt stuff, the CEOs went to prison, and the company was slated for to be dissolved. This would cost 1000's of jobs, particularly in Trudeaus home riding. There is a special piece of legislation called a deferred prosecution agreement (DPA) passed by trudeau a few years earlier. This agreement would lessen the penalties on the company itself (not the CEOs) and allow the company to stay open. Trudeau spoke to his Minister of Justice, and allegedly put inappropriate pressure to go the DPA route, after which the minister resigned. Some believe that the minister resigning was a political play for her personal gain, others also argue that the pressure exerted by Trudeau was not wholely inappropriate. The DPA deal never happened.
- We Charity: A federal contract was made with the WE charity fro covid support. Turns out that WE had paid about half a million to Trudeaus wife to do a speech, despite both trudeau and WE signing documents stating they have no financial relationship. This created the appearance of Quid pro quo. Trudeaus finance minister was also found to have undisclosed financial ties which eventually lead to his resignation. Trudeau also prorogued parliament (essentially went on break) part way through the scandals investigation, a move that he heavily criticized the previous government for doing, however the prorogation also made sense to do for reaasons outside the scandal (the early days of the pandemic mainly). Trudeau proponents argue that Trudeau was not directly involved in the decision making and that WE was the only charity that was really a serious option for this program. The final ethics report on the subject found no wrong doing on Trudeaus part and the speech did not represent a conflict of interest, but that the finance minister had broken 3 conflict of interest laws. This finding happened long after the public eye had moved on.
- Brownface. It was uncovered that Trudeau dressed up in brown face on 2 separate occasions in 2001 for Halloween when he was a teacher and at least once in blackface. Francophone culture doesn't have the same views on blackface as English culture, with minstrel shows being popular as far as 2012.
That's what Trudeau has done scandal wise, in my experience this is what more conservative folks dislike about him. In my personal opinion there is nothing particularly out of the ordinary here and as someone whose wife is desi I can say the brown community largely seems to not care much about the brownface or Indian political scandals., but of course I only have that one community to look at.
He has some pretty controversial policies as well:
- A campaign promise of his first election was that "this would be the last election with FPTP". While he raised a bill in Committee, it died there as conservatives didn't want to change anything and the progressive parties could not agree on a particular system. Trudeau still had the option of ramming it through with his majority, but claimed that it would be damaging to pass it unilaterally without any other parties support. This is the single largest thing I see him get criticized for online, but I don't see much about it IRL or in mainstream media.
- He made a big deal of appointing a cabinet that was 50% men and women. Some see it as pandering, some see it as misandry.
- The carbon tax implemented is criticized by the right for being too severe and the left for being too soft.
- He spent an awful lot of government money buying out oil pipelines that were held up by protests. Federal police also beat the shit out of those oil protesters.
- I don't think any politician is beyond criticism over the handling of the pandemic, I don't want to get into it too much but the raising cost of living and shutdowns do not bode well for the status quo government.
- He called an election in the middle of the pandemic (end of 2022) when he was ahead in the polls he ended up staying in almost the exact same minority government. This is traditionally a very unpopular thing for the government to do (elections are seen as expensive and annoying) and it was doubly so because of the pandemic.
- Trudeau has let in record levels of immigrants and refugees, while this has always been unpopular for right wingers it has become increasingly unpopular among progressives (largely due to the housing crisis, see below).
- Trudeau has been largely ineffectual at dealing with the housing crisis, late to admit there was a problem and getting criticism from both home owners and renters.
- Trudeau made a promise to provide all native communities with safe drinking water. He still has not done so, although he has closed more drinking advisories than were open when he was elected (more opened during the years).
In addition there's also plenty of verifiably fake news and right wing craziness. Stuff like he's a pedo who got fired from teaching or anything to do with the anti-covid protests.
I tried to make this fair, but obviously personal bias is unavoidable. I'm an ABC (anything but Conservative) voter who aligns most closely with the green party, probably much more pro-trudeau than most internet takes though. I've voted for LPC 3 times and will probably vote green in the next one.
My personal opinion is that while he is slow he is slowly sending things in the right direction so long as the NDP remain a minority. I think most of the negativity comes form the fact he's been in power a long time and that the world has on the whole gotten worse. I hope he wins the next election because realistically the only other choice is a right wing populist. I don't think it is possible for him to step down and keep the party in power, I somewhat suspect that the LPC is resigned to losing the next election and using that as a way to change out Trudeau.
He has played to selling out canada to corporate interests at every turn and then uses the facade of 'pushing for equality' to shut down any critical discussions in public venues.
Then he shuts down, at the behest of Mr. Buffet, every trucker or rail worker dispute by forcing them back to work and labeling them as 'right wing extremists' for the audacity of asking for time off, reasonable pay, and enough workers to insure safe travels (especially in the rail industry).
Additionally, the liberal government has taken to shutting down bank accounts of people that they accuse, whether with evidence or not, of 'conspiring' against them. We have an entire set of people that used to be mid to mid high class that have lost access to their homes and bank accounts because they opted to support a rail worker protest or a trucker protest that the media had labeled 'extremist'. (Canadian news media is obligated to report the version of events supplied to them by the government or be censured and permanently shut down, this was a good thing in the era of the Iraq war as we were able to know about the lack of WMD's literally years before the US was fully informed, but it is a sword with which the LPC has been stabbing at public criticism and discussion of their continual failures, abuses of power and illegal land sales as well as the use of the RCMP and former US special forces as 'special enforcers' for oil interests)
Instead of allowing any discussion on the matter of their abuse of power and complete lack of oversight of both personal (bribes) and government (missing money) funds, we are assaulted with continual 'us vs them' narratives to split the populace.
Trudeau is Trump light, but objectively more racist.
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