They warned you: Someone allegedly used a politician's cloned voice to interfere with an election | It will most assuredly not be the last time this happens
They warned you: Someone allegedly used a politician's cloned voice to interfere with an election | It will most assuredly not be the last time this happens
The New Hampshire Attorney General's Office is investigating a robocall that went out to voters in the state telling them not to vote in the upcoming Democratic...
They warned you: Someone allegedly used a politician's cloned voice to interfere with an election | It will most assuredly not be the last time this happens::undefined
The surprising part is that someone believed a politician's voice.
I keep saying: none of this will end until we get a clean, cryptographically secure, government-backed way to ID who is sending us something, and it becomes an expectation to use it all the time for anything important. Which is why I have conspiracy theories about the conspiracy theories about government ID.
a clean, cryptographically secure, government=backed way to ID who is sending us something, and it becomes an expectation to use it all the time
sounds dystopian.
The "government backed" part is ostensibly about a government setting up the framework and like, requiring it be used for official documents.
It wouldn't be too hard to stick a private signing key on say, your driver's license / ID / passport, for instance.
It's a complex issue, though, that sits on how much you trust whoever runs the system at some point.
Yeah, we have all the tech already. PKI exists. Just issue a white house certificate and use that to sign official stuff - documents, press releases, videos. They CAN control their narrative if they wanted to. It just takes someone near the top who understands technology.
Wouldn't have stopped the fake phone call, though...
The people who fall for shit like this don't know what any of that means or would understand it if you tried to explain it to them
There's already a system for it. But to roll that out to everyone would be an administrative nightmare. And tbf, the system of digital certificates is not exactly "clean." There are always issues.
I agree that it would be great to have that, but it just doesn't seem feasible. Perhaps a different system needs to be created.
cryptographically secure
Isn't this the only part of this that's really important? If you can see me in real life, if I can give you a cryptographically secure way to check whatever I'm sending you in the future, badda bing, mission success. It's only a problem if my code becomes compromised on my end, leaked or something. It requires faith that your friends won't get compromised, but that's pretty much going to be true of any system you might devise there. That's not the job of cryptography, or some document the government has, that's just the job of your own personal security practices to make sure you're not giving around codes and passwords willy nilly. I don't understand why this really needs to be tied to the government or to specific people at all.
Sure, that works.. If you either change the entire american telecommunication system, and cut it off from the rest of the world.. or change the entire worlds telecommunication system.
But you're not going to get any of those, Which means your cryptographic phone system will have to be backwards compatible, which means skeevy fucks can continue to do this shit.
Doesn't MFA already work? Don't we have a shared code system?
Well then you will have conspiracy theorists to tell you that government backed IDs are fake cause reptilians are controlling them...
Newspapers l, specially tabloids feeds on sensational crap like this
You don’t even need to ID who is sending it, just that the content itself can provide some grounding in an authentic source.
Like if a picture can say that it derives from an original photo captured by a camera signed with Canon’s credentials, and was changed in Photoshop in these specific ways and signed by Adobe…
There is a group working on exactly this. It’s called C2PA.
If people are using these types of tactics to try and make people in one political party not vote, I'd say it's more than fair for the same tactics to be used on the other party.
Is it ethical? Absolutely not.
Do I care? No because if I were to ever get messages/calls telling me not to vote, I'd laugh and vote anyways since I live in an area with mail in ballots.
Be careful, cycle of abuse is a thing. If we normalize this then it wont be long till it gets worse.
A better first step would be to educate people with skepticism so they understand that the president calling personally to ask people not to vote cant be right.
Another idea that could help is incorporating nft blockchain in official verifiable footage,quotes,stances, linked whenever referenced so the unaltered context can easily be sourced and non verifiable footage treated with skepticism.
People are still trying to pitch nfts to do basic database functions in 2024? I thought we'd moved on from this.
All an NFT can do is trade a url between people, all it does is say "yup this is the url alright, and this person owns this ticket pointing at this url" it adds nothing to authenticating footage.
Yeah…I mean, if you cloned Trump’s voice? And actually made it interact with the people? You could suppress the fascist vote by about 75%
I have to tell you that I've been compelled to listen to the Tiny Toon Adventures theme song on Spotify, because your username has been stuck in my head all evening.
Welcome to the age of AAA. Authorization, authentication and auditing. Where every action, whether over the phone, internet, or video chat needs to be verified externally with some kind of AAA system before that action can be verified and performed.
In this case, calling them back on a known phone number to verify their intent, or pushing a code to them over text or a third party authorization system (like duo or something) is required before action is taken.
IT and security folks have been preparing for this shit since before AI deepfakes were a thing. The general public, thus far, has not appreciated the extra security we have been requiring and at many levels, they've actively and even publically spoken out against it, or outright refused to participate.
You are vulnerable.
I guess we can be thankful that there exists safe guards for launching missiles with regards to codes and all.
tl;dr
someone cloned Joe Biden's voice to help suppress voting in the New Hampshire primary.
Basically it was AI Biden telling supporters to not go to the polls. No one knows who did it.
If only the government had ways to track down a phone call
No one knows who did it.
Why would you not be able to trace calls. That kind of shit became impossible here in the what 90s when all the telephone exchanges were digitalised.
No one knows who did it.
Five bucks says Jacob Wohl
Too Long; Didn't Read: The battle cry of the uneducated voter everywhere.
It's wild how desperately so-called Democratic voters want to show that they're just as stupid and bull-headed as Trump supporters, and just like Trump supporters, they'll just ignore anything that doesn't fit their narrative.
Choosing to be ignorant isn't the flex you think it is.
Do you have both the time and emotional bandwidth to read every single thing that affects your life? Everything that anyone else, especially random Internet strangers, considers important for you as well?
We should all be more educated on political matters. Real life forces us to pick and choose how we do it, unless we don't have a life and choose to only concern ourselves with politics to the detriment of our family, relationships, friendships, and mental health. Because there's a shit pile of info that comes out each and every day. I don't think asking for a summary is something we should be shitting on people about.
Being a smug jackass isn't the flex you think is. It actually pushes people away from whatever you're stating you think they should do. Unless that's your plan anyway? In that case, no judgement here. Carry on.
Who is choosing to be ignorant here? I don't think these people wanted to fall for it.
I will say this is an omega cringe take though, tl;dr is a pretty valid way to request someone else chew your food for you when you don't wanna do jawzrsize, and your political extrapolations from that are completely irrelevant. The person who's left an unpoliticized single four letter acronym might be of any political persuasion, you're hallucinating shit.
Also the
Choosing to be ignorant isn't the flex you think it is.
doesn't make any sense. The acronym is a request for more information. It's someone asking to no longer be ignorant. Why did you decide to go goono mode with this comment?
Anything on who did this?
The GOP can’t win without cheating.
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"Interfere" with a primary election...
The DNC is very open about how primaries aren't real elections and they don't have to follow results.
And they already took all of NH delegates away because the Republicans who control the state house, Senate, and governorship wouldn't change the state law that says NH is the first primary...
So yes, the deep fake is concerning for democracy.
But not as much as the DNC taking the delegates away from an entire state because Republicans wouldn't listen to the DNC.
Especially since party favorite moderates have came in last in the last two NH primaries and the most progressive candidates came in first.
Imagine if Trump and the RNC did this in a state that routinely votes for a more progressive candidate in their primary...
We'd all (rightfully) be talking about the end of American democracy.
But when the DNC does it, it's frightening how many moderates defend it because it's good for moderates.
Not to minimize the 2016 or 2020 elections, which a lot of sources say there was not a level playing field in the DNC, but this year there is an incumbent president. This is how incumbent presidents are always treated. It's normal and fair and strategically sound.
The same thing happened when Donald Trump was incumbent and nobody made a fuss.
Edit for clarity:
normal - The incumbent candidate has preferential treatment within the party in every election cycle. There are various ways that this manifests, and is usually different depending on the exact circumstances. If one chose, they could drill down into specific details to make it seem exceptional e.g. "It's never been done in with this specific mechanism or in this particular state."
fair - If you want access to preferential treatment, become President. The President is the figurehead not only of the country, but arguably even more so of their party. It would be unfair for the party leadership to undermine them while in office.
strategically sound - Incumbent candidates win elections. There is something like a 65% advantage to incumbency. Moreover, a party has limited political, social, and financial capital. If they spend that capital in the primary race, then they start the general election at a disadvantage. There is evidence (and common wisdom) that a primary race actually generates more capital, but I've never heard any credible suggestion that it could be a net gain in any area. Running a primary means a less unified party, less financial resources, less voter confidence in the victor.
This is how incumbent presidents are always treated. It’s normal and fair and strategically sound.
Really?
I never heard of any party stripping a state of their primary delegates because of something completely out of control of the state party... Especially when it's a state that routinely votes against the party favorite.
Can you let me know some other times this happened?
Yeah dude, it's not the actual fascists that are going to cause the end of our democracy. Let's keep blaming Democrats for shit that the GOP is doing.
When your options are:
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Full blown fascism
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Occasionally fascism and not fighting the other sides fascism
A lot more than the 1/3 that don't normally vote are likely going to not vote in the current election
That is a reality.
And the reality is if there's depressed turnout, Republicans win.
Pointing it out that it's likely to happen won't make it happen.
Getting mad at someone for pointing it out is the same as burning a medicine woman as a witch because she said someone was going to die of their illness and then they died.
Or blaming a meteorologist for the snow storm they predicted.
It doesn't make any rational sense. And you should be happy someone is trying to warn you, instead of getting mad and telling them if they don't mention the issues, they'll go away.
Get mad at the reason for it. In this case, Bidens actions.
If you have a better plan for getting Biden to stop doing all this stupid shit that hurts his chances and help trump besides complaining about it...
Well, I'm all ears.
Because as bad as Biden is, trump is far more dangerous
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Come talk to me when either party has an ethical leg to stand on. Nobody has a high horse to stand on, and until you admit that your side is just as shit, nothing will change and you'll continue propegating single issue policies that degrade democracy for everyone.
We have two options in our political system...
Not being able to criticize the better party because the other is even worse just results in a race to the bottom.
Something that's been happening for decades and instead of slowing down is just happening more and more.
When the main reason to vote D is "they're not Republicans" the Dem party continually acting more like Republicans every year ain't going to help Dems get elected.
Nobody has a high horse to stand on, and until you admit that your side is just as shit, nothing will change
I'm literally complaining about "my side"...
And you're telling me I can't because Republicans are worse...
How about you stop assuming what people's political affiliations are simply because they have the audacity to question the people they plan on voting for?
Imagine if Trump and the RNC did this in a state that routinely votes for a more progressive candidate in their primary…
I would think this line alone shows that this person doesn't think highly of conservatives, yet here you are making the crass assumption that this must mean they're Republican and "continue propegating single issue policies that degrade democracy for everyone."
Can you get your fucking head out of your ass for a minute and instead of making an assumption try talking to someone to find out?
Because I agree with everything they said, but I also plan on voting Democrat down-ticket, because Republicans are nuts, and the only people who run Independent around here are trying to hide that they're actually Republican.
You people really sound like fucking jackasses when you accuse likely democrat voters of being fucking Republican/Russian plants because they have the audacity to want more and better from Democrats.
How about you come with an actual rebuttal instead of acting like "It doesn't matter because you're clearly Republican!!!"
Like, give me a fucking break, you don't know that, you're just pulling that out of your ass based on how you feel. Grow the fuck up, this kind of attitude is no better than the Trumpers. Do you want us to be compliant, non-questioning voters like them? Isn't the primary season when we're supposed to make our desires for our political representatives known?
Because it sure as shit seems like all you people want us to do is be exactly like Trump voters and sit down, shut up, and not ask questions of Dear Leader.
I don't know how to break this to you, but we want an informed, involved, and educated electorate, and all you fucking idiots demanding that we instead be cowed, quiet, fucking idiots who never question anything just like Trump voters are missing the fucking point, I'd wager.
Do you want an informed, involved, educated electorate? Or do you want them to "Shut Up" because they had the audacity to critique "Your Team" because you can't be fucked to think for yourself?
Grow up. Fucking children. Exactly like Trump voters.
