Nancy Pelosi’s Rant Against Cease-Fire Supporters Will Hurt Biden’s 2024 Campaign
Nancy Pelosi’s Rant Against Cease-Fire Supporters Will Hurt Biden’s 2024 Campaign
The ex-speaker’s “delusional” attack insults millions of voters—and reveals the scorching ignorance of top Democrats about the depth of opposition to Israel’s war.
Ooph, these comments. Obviously this incredibly incompetent move from pelosi is going to hurt democrats.
According to the latest polling, half of all democrats and half of all 18-
35(edit: 18-29)year olds view this as a genocide. Of the other half, more are undecided than don't think it's a genocide.You can't insult serious beliefs of half your base and think there won't be consequences.
Of course trump is a serious threat to democracy. Just like the last time I'm going to hold my nose and vote for biden. And just like last time, senior democrats are going to do everything in their power to shoot themselves in the foot.
When aren't dems insulting their base?
When they're talking about rich white Boomers.
If it weren’t actively and directly leading to the possible demise of democracy in America, it would be goddamn hilarious how good the Democratic leadership is at machine gunning their own foot.
And yet only 1% of Americans think Gaza/Israel is the most important issue in this election.
MSM: The wind blows, hurts Biden's 2024 Campaign
Except this wind is directly doing things to hurt Biden's campaign. A major establishment figure highlighting one of their biggest issues with their base and further antagonizing them is actually politically relevant.
You don't think the things that the Dems say will effect whether people feel like voting for the Dems?
Unsure if it would really hurt them. Trump winning is basically doomsday for left so they're just trying to sway the right. Just imo, but would this comment really make you vote for trump?
It will drive down turn out, not change votes.
Only for fools that want a perfect politician more than they want a fascist USA.
Genocide good because they want it abroad, not inside the border! America first! Blue MAGA! Brown people dirty outside of America! Our brown people are okay at best!
That's what you sound like when you say "people expect too much from a government not wanting genocide."
Perhaps a better way to put it is acknowledging that I'm not actively rooting for a genocide. With that off the table, I struggled to grasp where a Trump administration would handle the situation differently, let alone better. My primary goal is the end of the war, and my secondary goal is avoiding continued escalation. Given how hawkish Trump's administration can be regarding brown people and minorities in general, I don't expect them to have a markedly different perspective from the Israel contingent
(X) Doubt
Don't doubt it. We're not playing along with liberal bullshit anymore
Go for it tough guy. Vote Trump if it suits you. Or stay home, same difference. Either way, it's your right.
Next election is a binary choice. (too big a word?) And I don't care how much you children rail against Biden or liberals or whatever the fuck you think you're mad about.
When the Orange Shirts (You did study history before matriculating 8th grade? Fuck me. Big words again, sorry). Let me start over...
When the Brown Shirts come knocking, I'll ask you who you voted for, or if you voted. Shouldn't matter, right? You're set to defend yourself against the nuts, right?
You pussies talk talk on social media, "We won't vote for these filthy do-nothing Democrats!".
I'll fight for you in any case, but people like you get in the back of the bus.
MSM: We’re going to be angry at everyone.
MSM:
Make no mistake, this is directly connected to what he would like to see. Same thing with Ukraine. It’s about Putin’s message. I think some of these—some of these protesters are spontaneous and organic and sincere. Some, I think, are connected to Russia.
And I say that having looked at this for a long time now, as you know.
She's completely right. Some of the opposition is astroturfed. It's part of Hamas's strategy of "lawfare."
It would be a betrayal of national security for the DOJ or FBI not to investigate the source of a lot of this messaging.
“I don’t think they’re plants,” said Pelosi. “I think some financing should be investigated. And I want to ask the FBI to investigate that.”
Yup.
Idk. Seems pretty natural to look a genocide and say that sucks. Maybe we should do something about it.
Since the dead kids don't seem to be an issue, maybe these moderates would do it to deny the Russians their issue. Democratic moderates will fall all over themselves to coopt rightwing issues to deny them the ideological ground, maybe they can be convinced to actually adopt something good for once.
Well, that's the point isn't it? If there's a legitimate military target and a reasonable warning tailored to minimize civilian casualties, that is not a war crime, let alone a genocide. It's standard operating procedure, and morally and legally valid.
People seem to be completely unaware that before Israel bombs a building, it calls cell phones in the area and warns people to leave. One thing Hamas likes to do is tell people that those warning calls are a hoax, so that more civilians stay in the building to be killed. Nothing makes Hamas happier than more inncoent Palestinians killed with Israeli weapons.
People also seem to believe that every time a building is destroyed, there are never any Hamas members or weapons or tunnels. The extent of the tunnel systems in the Gaza Strip are well documented and if you threw a dart at a map of the strip, you're pretty much going to hit a tunnel. I'm exaggerating, but not by much.
Again, if they are striking valid targets and warning the people to leave the area, it sucks and it's horrible and of course it makes Democrats very uncomfortable because we are caring and empathetic people, but it's not objectionable from an international law standard. Humanitarian corridors are open, supplies are flowing, and the daily death tolls have been decreasing for weeks. I agree with Pelosi that it's delusional to call that genocide.
If it comes out that Israel does not really have valid military targets, or made no contemporaneous attempts to warn people in the target area, and that's part of a policy or the result of training, as opposed to isolated war crimes, I agree it would be a genocide all day long. So far though, the evidence is overwhelming that that's not what's happening. Add to that the evidence that Israel is actively prosecuting people for war crimes and incitement to genocide.
She's directly linking any protestation of the war with Putin. She's essentially saying if you protest for cessation of hostility in Gaza you're a tool of Putin.
It's incredibly disingenuous and will definitely hurt their numbers. And in a race that's going to be as close as this is, it could easily lead to a red Presidency.
"I think some financing should be investigated."
So do I. I want to know who's paying Pelosi.
She doesn’t need to get paid, she has that sweet Congress gig with all the legal insider trading.
I think it's also plausible that Russia would astroturf to help Trump get back in office. By turning people against the Democrats and toward a third party to split the vote.
Then again, Russia is all about weaponizing the cracks in the target society. Adding to the discord over this situation by astroturfing both sides is right out of their playbook.
(Ed) And I'm guessing Israel is doing some of its own astroturfing. And probably same for Hamas and sympathetic entities.