Has anyone else noticed how prevalent Hexbear posters have suddenly become? Maybe sometime last week I noticed nearly every political post had at least one long thread of Hexbear users that do nothing but repeat CCP talking points while waving anyway anything even remotely reliable as Western propaganda. That or getting all excited about trolled libs. The way they tell it, you'd think everything from DW, to Fox, to Propublica, to straight up AP News articles, are all written by the same people.
Not to mention, their info on the Fediverse observer is either straight up wrong or there's some serious botting going on. According to that, the instance is less than a month old, yet somehow they already have one of the largest, most active userbases, along with far and away the most comments of any instance.
Seems to me like Lemmygrad on steroids. Considering we defederated from them, seems like a no-brainer to block Hexbear as well.
So glad this thread could become such a perfect microcosm of why we need to defederate.
You can't defederate, I'm the only person keeping !ohio@midwest.social and !cleveland@midwest.social active. The power and frequency of our posting is a boon to the rest of the Lemmyverse.
The ukrainian famine was made into a genocide narrative by literal nazis, see hearst press. When the nazis occupied Ukraine, the rhetoric around killing Jewish people involved a lot of "collaborated to do the holodomor"
LMAO three seconds ago I pointed out how you're the type of person who would side with the nazis and one click of a 'load more comments' finds you literally siding with nazis
You mention Russian and CCP propaganda a lot. Why is your skepticism only directed at US state enemies? Do you deny that western media has uncritically disseminated US state propaganda about US state enemies in the past, or do you still believe that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
If you could make a good faith effort to lurk around occasionally I think you'll have a different opinion. Please take a moment and look at how and what information we share with each other and you'll see we're not what we've been made out to be. No propaganda, no authoritarianism. You'll see careful deconstructions of propaganda and maybe obtain an understanding of the correct usage of authoritarianism. Most importantly you'll see we're regular leftist shitposters, we just read theory
We are not brigading. We're just extremely online and this post came into our feed like it did yours. Are we not allowed to comment on posts in our feed?
Turns out YOU should learn how federation works, maybe you can do that after you learn how to stop shoving your propaganda down other people's throats.
you're currently "brigading" a thread in your non-native instance about how rude it is that liberals aren't allowed to spread their right-wing propaganda uncontested
You really dont understand the history of lemmy at all. We were originally part of it like, at its inception, and communists helped build it. We forked so we could add shit like pronoun tags. We have as much of a right to be part of the fediverse as you do. Sorry that rustles your jimmies.
tl;dr We're as much of an instance as you are, get over it.
This post appeared on my feed. That's the only reason I'm here. Get used to not being popular. This isn't Reddit. No one is going to protect you from not encountering leftists.
You don't want an instance to defend themselves when being accused of something and possibly punished with defederation? Wow that sounds pretty authoritarian not a good look my dude do you not believe in due process and the rule of law?
bro the United States has the largest prison population in the world and regularly overthrows countries they don't like, the US is by far the most authoritarian country in the world by any sensible definition
Is democracy is the mere condition of being able to choose from two awful choices, or is it instead the condition of having a competent government of which most of the population approves of?
Could you see how it would be incredibly easy to create an authoritarian government if you decided to have effectively the same party swap power every couple terms, so long as you defined "democracy" as "the ability to vote for what party rules over your state"? Could you see how it would be much more difficult to fulfil the latter definition without actually addressing the concerns of the populace, which bad authoritarian states would have a hard time doing?
"authoritarianism" is the condition of one person, or group of people, having coercive or even violent power over another. all governments are authoritarian, obviously, and most are very authoritarian. Lenin's definition of the state as the means for the outnumbered class (the rich, the elite, the bourgeoisie, whatever) to exert control over the working class is the most sensible and applicable definition I've ever found, and by that definition, and by the fact that people all around the world have to labor for the rich regularly to not starve or become homeless, all countries are generally pretty comparable in "authoritarian-ness", making it an awful way of defining countries at all.
Can I just say how infuriating that "why did you assume my gender" thing is? They tried that on me too and I felt compelled to apologize for saying "guy" but its so CLEARLY being used as a "gotcha". Its such an obvious trap but you sort of HAVE to fall into it or look like even more of an asshole. Fucking infuriating.
Whether a country is a democracy or not depends on whether its people are really the masters of the country. If the people are awakened only for voting but enter a dormant period soon after, if they are given a song and dance during campaigning but have no say after the election, or if they are favored during canvassing but are left out in the cold after the election, such a democracy is not a true democracy.
You aren't a "side" you're a small group of angry, useful idiots and bots. If you want to talk about genocide, let's talk about the current genocide the CCP is carrying out.
Please I'm begging you to have even the slightest bit of intellectual curiosity and stop shutting off your mind with thought terminating cliches. Please.
I'm not going to argue with you about Xijiang because I'm not as educated as some of my comrades on the subject, you're wrong about it, but whatever
But this...
bots
For the fucking 1000th time since federation why would anyone bot this tiny ass site. Why would it be a useful investment for China or Russia to do this Please actually go to our instance and look at our post histories. In mine I have a rant talking about weird shit that happened in an American Pie movie. We're just normal people with views on geopolitics you aren't used to. None of us are bots. Its pure liberal solipism to write off anyone who counters the prevailing liberal narrative on geopolitics of being bots.
useful idiots
Its so fucking rich having liberals who live IN THE WEST and are useful idiots for western propaganda call us this. Think about it logically for a second, who is more likely to be a useful idiot? The person living in the west and saying the shit the western media tells them to say about bad evil enemy countries when they have been PROVEN to be lying about bad evil enemy countries before (Iraq, Vietnam, Korea) or the guy going against the prevailing narrative in his country? Hmm?
You aren't a "side"
We are the far left of the political spectrum, and we're only a small insignificant group if you only count white westerners.
I don't know what I'm talking about but you're definitely wrong about it.
Great way to start your comment, so far 0/10.
Nobody would bother making bots on Lemmy
Do you think it's hard to make a bot? I suspect it's WAY easier here because at least the awful corporate sites have experience removing fake accounts.
I'm not a liberal, you're just throwing generalizations at a straw man you made. And the rest of your post is just more generalization, like assuming my sex, nationality, and ability to think critically.
If you're actually not a bot, pull your head out of your ass.
No investigation no right to speak. I haven't researched the Xijiang issue well enough to comment well on it, so I won't. Someone else can take up that cause if they want. But I HAVE researched it enough to know where the truth lies, I just would be bad at arguing the point. Admitting that isn't a weakness and doesn't make me look bad. Its literally a good thing. You put it out there, so I kind of have to acknowledge it or you would have used THAT to imply my weakness as well.
It doesnt matter if its hard to make a bot. It matters if its worth doing. Why would any country think changing hearts and minds of foreigners on Lemmy is worth their time? Its pure arrogance to think you're worth a foreign governments time and energy.
I'm not a liberal
You can insist this all you want, but your positions on geopolitics align with the liberal hegemonistic order. You are at best a radlib who thinks they're a socialist for supporting universal healthcare or something. IE, someone who wants a bigger piece of the plundering of the global South and doesn't care about their plight. Your positions on geopolitics are liberal ones, whether you consider yourself one or not.
assuming my sex
Sorry for saying guy, though if you ARE a guy and just doing this as a gotcha anyway you're an asshole.
nationality
I really doubt you dont live in the west. This one I have to assume is a bullshit attempt at a gotcha. "How do you KNOW I'm a westerner" is debate lord shit if you actually are a westerner. If you arent, well the useful idiot label still applies.
Extremism is when you don't want the world to burn and the poor to starve, and the more you're willing to do something other than politely beg to live, the more extremist it is.
You're the one who doesn't understand what brigading is. Go to hexbear. Do you see any posts saying "hey everyone dogpile this post"? No. It came up on our feeds. Thats not brigading.
Lemmy was created by communists, with lemmygrad and hexbear being among the first to exist. Lemmygrad second instance after lemmy ml actually. Do you see us cry and stop recommending it because there are libs on our sites?
Actually yes I do, even though other people aren't going around shoving propaganda down your throats... well aside from exploding heads and a couple smaller instances
this post shows up on All on Hexbear, because we are federated. I am posting, in this thread, from hexbear.net. nobody has brigaded anything, this is how federation works. I'm sorry this is frustrating for you, but there's no reason to freak out and accuse people of brigading.