What is your current FICO/credit score?
What is your current FICO/credit score?
Mine is 667. I have never used credit cards, and I don't have any debt. My partner, whose FICO score is 780, currently has about twice their annual salary in debt.
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Mine is 667. I have never used credit cards, and I don't have any debt. My partner, whose FICO score is 780, currently has about twice their annual salary in debt.
This makes sense. Your credit utilization has a high impact on your score. What they’re looking for is the ratio of Credit used over credit available. Ideally you want to keep it under 30%. In your case you’re dividing by zero so it’s impossible to have a good ratio.
If you’re looking to raise your score, just getting a credit card and not even using it will improve your score by increasing your divisor above zero, but some banks may close the account if it goes unused. If you do use it pay it off ASAP. There is a terrible misconception out there that you need to carry a balance on a card and pay interest to raise your score. THAT’S JUST NOT TRUE. Don’t ever carry a balance. It doesn’t ever help your score and can only hurt it if your ratio gets too high.
Good advice here. Both my credit card apps have me at 850 currently. Between the 2 cards, my limit is about 80k. I put around 500-600 per month on them generally and always pay in full every month. I have not paid 1 cent in interest in probably near 20 years, while taking hundreds in rewards from Discover and BOA. Credit cards are a great financial tool and a huge benefit once you learn the rules to the game....if you maintain discipline.
I request a credit increase every time I get a raise or every 6 months, whichever happens first. Why get credit I dont need? In case I ever do need it, but more important is that debt ratio. That is what gets you good loan rates. Do it before you need it, and you will be set.
I request a credit increase every time I get a raise or every 6 months, whichever happens first. Why get credit I dont need? In case I ever do need it, but more important is that debt ratio. That is what gets you good loan rates. Do it before you need it, and you will be set.
There's also a feedback loop here -- once the credit limit increase hits your report, other creditors see it and are more likely to extend increased limits to you. I went through a few years where AmEx and Discover both seemed intent on being my highest limit card and would preemptively offer CLIs after the other one had.
And to expound on your point re: credit utilization ratios - this is another area where having higher limits than you need helps. Your percentage utilized of available credit has a huge impact on your overall score. Having a higher limit means that if you need to carry a balance due to an emergency spend, it'll have less impact on your score.
e.g., you have an emergency expense of $700 with a line of credit of $1000. Your utilization is now at 70%. This will have a negative impact on your score pretty quickly.
Take the same $700 spend and apply it to a $5000 line of credit and you're only at 14% utilization. That'll still have an impact but much less than anything over ~30% utilization.
Even beyond emergencies, if you use a credit card to pay fixed bills each month and then immediately pay them off, you'll occasionally have months where the payment credits after your statement date and hits your credit report -- same deal there. It looks much better on your report if that balance is a fraction of your available credit than if it takes up a large chunk of it.
I've been pleasantly surprised by how much actual good advice has ended up in this whole thread.
Basic personal finance like credit cards and retirement and HSA accounts are so beneficial when you are able to have people explain the basics to you, and the knowledge pays off many times over.
I had a few years of young and dumb followed by struggling through the great recession that pretty well wrecked my credit early on.
I then went through a few years while rebuilding where I really dug into learning how the credit system works and gaming it to my advantage. It was literally a case of getting entertainment out of "number goes up." I got bored with it once my available lines of credit hit a couple multiples of my annual income, but the end result was having a basically perfect credit score.
It ultimately paid off when it came time to buy a car and get a mortgage. Basically had immediate access to the absolute best rates available and approvals have always gone super smooth.
The flip side of that is my SO who never went through the young and dumb stage and hadn't needed to rebuild credit, but had a similar "fuck credit" attitude as the OP so they'd never had credit in the first place. The fortunate thing there is we were able to jump start their credit history by adding them as an authorized user on one of my older accounts with a high line of credit -- this gave a massive boost to both average account age and available credit and pretty much instantly brought their score up from the 5-600s to low 700s. Add in a few more deliberate things like financing a car instead of paying cash and now they've got enough of a credit profile built up that it'll be okay if anything ever happens to me.
Obviously, that requires a lot of trust, but it's good info for relationships where one partner has established credit and the other doesn't.
My SO had untreated bipolar disorder when we met, so her credit was trash from forgetting to pay rent and her car frequently. I got her organized and on a schedule, and once she finally started taking care of herself again and got centered mentally, I spotted her a few hundred for a secured credit card to rebuild her score. She stayed on top of herself for a couple years, and went back to college seriously this time, so she needed a new car as it was over an hour away, so I cosigned for her to get her a decent rate. Now 2 more years later she has somewhere around 8k for a credit limit and a score in the mid 700s last I asked. So 5ish years to rebuild her wrecked credit. Now she's graduating this semester and already got a job offer for like 25% more than I make! Soon it's her turn to pay back my investments in her! 🤣
Yep the credit score algorithm would rather see $20,000 debt with a $100,000 limit than $5,000 debt with a $10,000 limit.
All true points. A pot of our parents grew up terrified of using credit or using it too much for everything and going into debt.
Credit is a tool to use. All the credit score does is show how good you are at using that tool. Can you use it responsibly, without abusing it out going into debt? They can't score you on how well you use credit if you don't use it at all.
Slight caveat, while credit is a valuable tool to use, studies have shown that credit cards absolutely increase spending, regardless of if it's paid off each month.
For this reason I encourage people looking to build credit but afraid of debt to use credit cards only for non-flexible spending. Gas, utilities, subscriptions, etc.
Yep - if it's an expense I have to pay monthly anyway and might as well use one card for my expenses then pay it off every month and reap the rewards points/cash back.
That's a good callout, it does give the feeling of freedom. People have to know what credit means, and know how they will pay it.
I am pretty good at keeping a rough running tally in my head of how much I've spent, and so I can feel that I'm getting close to my limit. Big purchases too impact that a lot. However, I've worked with people who don't have a system, or don't have the ability to do that. Not knocking them, but you do need some ability to keep track of how much you've spent, either yourself or with a routing on checking your amounts.
I just have mine paying my phone bill each month
Starting with only autopaid non-flexible spending is a good bet, and there are credit cars that will de facto get you an ~3% discount on those categories just for using them.
Remember, all cash rewards / points systems exist to make you spend more money, though. Like the cards, they're designed to increase your spending. So it's the same advice -- only think hard about it for fixed costs.
Yep. Banks are not in the business of losing money.