Why Bluesky Remains The Most Interesting Experiment In Social Media, By Far
Why Bluesky Remains The Most Interesting Experiment In Social Media, By Far
These days, everyone hates big tech, and that’s often for very good reasons. You shouldn’t trust giant centralized companies that have collected a ridiculous amount of data on you. There are few re…
mastodon is far, far, far more interesting than bluesky
this article is literally an ad piece
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The author definitely is on the fediverse: @mmasnick@mastodon.social
The article may be fairly positive about Bluesky but how Bluesky separates out various functions like feeds, moderation/labeling, and data storage/portability is a definite advantage that I think should be discussed.
@romp_2_door @psychothumbs i'm curious what makes you think it's "an ad." There are plenty of things in the piece that might be useful for thinking about for ActivityPub/fediverse.
What they call moderation is just muting posts so that you don't see them. No thanks. I don't want bigots hidden in a space I use, I want them absent.
That's impossible though.
You have them everywhere including on Lemmy.
While sometimes it's impossible to make sure that an environment is completely free of bigots (or any sort of bad faith actor), if you don't get rid of the ones that you see, they'll eventually take over the space.
And "getting rid of them" doesn't mean to simply hiding them from your sight (what effectively Bluesky does). It's just a nest of cockroaches, you know? It's still breeding inside your wall, even if you don't see it.
What they call moderation is just muting posts so that you don’t see them.
Thank you, my dear man! Registering there right now. EDIT: ... maybe not "man", wasn't looking too close . "being"
No thanks. I don’t want bigots hidden in a space I use, I want them absent.
Yeah, see, there's that issue of most people having disagreements on who's a bigot, and also sometimes using such rules in bad faith. And since hiding what you don't want to read is insufficient to you, you may be an example of the latter, possibly even unconsciously.
So you'll have to live with the fact that nobody is absent. One can't change that anyway.
It's funny, IRL people I talk to in this tone are usually those actual bigots.
The day we start removing people from the Internet for their ideology is the day the experiment dies.
Note the bit where I said "space I use".
The best type of ad is one that passes for something else, like journalism.
their system rests on a few lynch pins... the relays. guess who is going to run those. hell, their own diagram has one 'entryway' into their system..
federation feels like an afterthought, and clearly not fully decentralized.
i would argue lemmy is one of the most interesting. this might have been the most interesting 18 months ago
I find the stackable layers interesting, but I like the decentralization of the fediverse. I’m way outside my realm of expertise here, but would it be possible for a platform to adopt both?
yeah theres a guy trying to bridge them right now.. kinda po'd some of the bluesky peeps.
e. maybe this: https://docs.bsky.app/blog/feature-bridgyfed ?
I heard that interview and have been casually digging into ActivityPub.
BSKY does account for a few more situations that ActivityPub currently doesn’t.
One is pluggable algorithms. This way you’re not tied to one kind of ordering in your feed.
Another is layered moderation so you can adjust automated vs human moderation policies.
And the last one is how to transport all your stuff to a different server under several different lockout scenarios. I’m still not clear which one’s better if your server just disappears or gets locked out.
In the long run, though, there has to be just one service. You can’t have Mastodon, Bsky, and Threads each with different functionality and incompatible islands.
But is the first two ActivityPub's fault or Lemmy/*bin's? If it's the former, then that'd imply a failure in the essence of the protocol. If it's the latter, then it's something that may be changed.
The account portability issue is being addressed in ActivityPub. Just saw some proposed extensions.
The layered/plugin approach, though, seems like it’s more of an implementation feature. The description of how it’s implemented in BSKY made it sound like you’re not locked into a single chronological way to show a home feed. That seemed like it had a lot of potential.
Enter Bluesky, which remains the most interesting experiment in social media. It has recently both opened up federation, but even more interestingly it has abstracted out the moderation layer (along with open sourcing tooling for people to use). This means that anyone can provide moderation services, and users can pick who they want to moderate their experience.
It may be difficult to wrap your head around how this works and why this matters, but I’m going to try to break it down with this article.
Yes, you can say that I’m biased. A little over four years ago, Jack Dorsey announced that he was going to fund a little project called Bluesky to build a decentralized and open social media protocol, based in part on my Protocols, Not Platforms paper.