Missouri executes Brian Dorsey for 2006 double murder after mercy bid backed by 72 correctional officers
Missouri executes Brian Dorsey for 2006 double murder after mercy bid backed by 72 correctional officers
The state of Missouri on Tuesday executed Brian Dorsey for the 2006 murders of his cousin, Sarah Bonnie, and her husband, Benjamin Bonnie, after an effort to have his life spared failed in recent days.
The state of Missouri on Tuesday executed Brian Dorsey for the 2006 murders of his cousin, Sarah Bonnie, and her husband, Benjamin Bonnie, after an effort to have his life spared failed in recent days.
Dorsey’s time of death was recorded as 6:11 p.m, the Missouri Department of Corrections said in a news release. The method of execution was lethal injection, Karen Pojmann, a spokesperson for the department, said at a news conference, adding it “went smoothly, no problems.”
The execution of Dorsey, 52, occurred hours after the US Supreme Court declined to intervene and about a day after Missouri’s Republican governor denied clemency, rejecting the inmate’s petition – backed by more than 70 correctional officers and others – for a commutation of his sentence to life in prison.
Dorsey and his attorneys cited his remorse, his rehabilitation while behind bars and his representation at trial by attorneys who allegedly had a “financial conflict of interest” as reasons he should not be put to death. But those arguments were insufficient to convince Gov. Mike Parson, who said in a statement carrying out Dorsey’s sentence “would deliver justice and provide closure.”
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He was murdered by the state. That's what the "death penalty" is. It's state-sanctioned murder. Barbarous.
We also have state-sanctioned kidnapping, wherein the convicted are taken from their families and held against their will, sometimes for years at a time.
There are many good arguments against the death penalty. I don't think those that just rephrase what is done in an emotional way are good ones.
And the whole property seizure without due process thing (civil forfeiture) although each of these is somewhat less important than the last.
no, you're right, especially as nearly every single independent study agrees with your first paragraph.
Prison generates profit first, solves crime... well not second, maybe ninth? Sixteenth? A hundred and twenty eighth?
I mean, you could argue that even if the criminal justice system in the US were massively improved, there would still be no reason to have the death penalty. And yet there could still be good reason to keep imprisonment as a consequence for many types of crimes.
I'm curious what your alternative is.
I don't think you want to tie getting rid of the death penalty to current inequities and private prison corruption unless in your ideal system it should make a return.
it's not about "me" or "my" alternatives as I am not an expert. however, look at Sweden, Finland, Denmark, the Netherlands and New Zealand.
The kidnapping analogy also applies to the Nordic countries, the Netherlands, and New Zealand. They all have governments which detain people against their will.
you have absolutely lost my interest in this conversation if you're going to flat out state that the Nordic system is identical to the US
But they didn't say that though?
They pointed out those countries also have jails/prisons that detain people against their will. That isn't the same as saying the systems are identical.
yeah but the differences are so obvious there's no point in me engaging in this conversation, it's just a snooze fest of saying obvious things and arguing over semantics.
If they're engaging in gotchas like "oh HO, YOU said that the US prison system doesn't work and yet you acknowledge that in better systems they imprison people a LOT less, but that still means they imprison SOME people."
it's like yeah, thanks, I know, not interested in having a conversation like that.
You have to read back through the thread. The whole point is that every country on earth justifies imprisonment for crimes. Calling it kidnapping doesn't make it wrong.
The same is true of the death penalty. Calling it murder doesn't make it wrong. It's a bad argument. This sub-thread was on that narrow topic.
the comment I was responding to was suggesting (paraphrased) "execution isn't murder like imprisonment isn't kidnapping, you're just using emotive language to score points"
and I said (paraphrased) "many studies have proven that imprisonment doesn't work and therefore is actually an emotional reaction"
they said "yes but they still imprison people"
and I said "yes but they have better systems"
and they said "YES BUT they STILL imprison people"
I said "ok but that's not a very interesting conversation"
you said, "but they're right"
and i said "ok but that's not a very interesting converstion"
and you said "but they're right"
so - is this an interesting conversation to you? it's not to me.
Murder means an unlawful killing, a lawful killing as in this case is the opposite of a murder. For an example of a true murder, look no further than the actions of the executed man: he killed his cousin and her husband after calling them for help.
He also had a well-documented history of mental illness, which would have been a defense to the death penalty, and an exemplary record as an inmate. More than 70 correctional officers signed the petition begging for him not to be murdered by the state.
And murder is the intentional killing of a human being. The fact that someone signs a piece of paper that says it's okay doesn't change the nature of the act.
And murder is the intentional killing of a human being.
I looked it up and every definition website includes that it has to be illegal to be considered murder. By your definition every instance of self-defense is murder.
And murder is the intentional killing of a human being
No it isn't. Murder is illegal killing of someone else. No reasonable person is going to call you a murderer if you kill someone who is trying to kill you and you reasonably believe you have no other choice.
You're thinking of the term homicide, which isn't always murder.
Too bad they couldn't kill him twice. Seeing as how he's a double murderer.
Ex ept this smells like they got the wrong guy.
Oh well, more meat for the pile.
When I take control of Missouri, I will make existing as a human in Missouri a crime mandatorily punished by death.
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Something tells me you won't be so gung-ho about saying that in the real world.
Probably because rational people will start looking at you funny, lol.
Why would he have problems saying this IRL?
Probably because rational people will start looking at you funny, lol.
Not sure what sociopaths you hang out with, but as long as you didn't actually say it like a lunatic, I don't think most people would look at you funny.
I've said a similar thing many times in the real world. Most people agree the state shouldn't be deciding who lives and dies, a lot just because they are known to make mistakes and murder innocent people.
Rational people are actually the people against state sanctioned killings usually. Not the other way around.
Yeah, no.
Mention child rapists and they change their tune, real quick.
Nope. That’s just your terminally online experience.
Not really.
People who are in support of the death penalty baffle me. Next to no one is happy about the government right now, and you trust these people with the power to kill whoever they want?
You trust them to imprison whoever they want?
At least imprisonment can be ended.
There’s lots of countries without the death penalty so I don’t think you thought this out.