"Waiting for a tankie essay about how [banning an LGBTQ fedi instance is] actually an inclusive move from russia"
"Waiting for a tankie essay about how [banning an LGBTQ fedi instance is] actually an inclusive move from russia"
gets immediately owned
59 positive is enough for rule 8, right?
Link even though I'm a lib: https://lemmy.ml/post/14319237
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My comment from the original thread about this thread:
Great thread. I especially love how some guy aks why the thread I mentioned was a goldmine and gets immediate response with screenshot of some funny comments. I love that @good_girl@hexbear.net who took the screenshot must have seen the rest, comments like this:
but still decided to screenshot only the funny comments. Anyways, happy dunking.EDIT: Also, most of comments in the thread are crying about how could I ever imagine tankie defending anti-LGBT move from Russia, because tankies don't actually support Russia (sure). Well, this comment proves that tankies are definitely able to do all mental gymnastics to defend moves like that:
If they defend China closing LGBT center, am I so crazy to expect them to defend Russia closing LGBT instance?
Because "LGBT center" is a western NGO, that should ring some bells. Pink washing is well alive.
Maybe do not stop you research on the fact that is was banned, but look into WHY it was banned. In other words, look beyond the aesthetics at the actual reasons. You people claim we support anything that has the right aesthetics, yet do exactly that every single time with no appareant capacity of learning from experience.
Sure, so instead of admitting that China's goverment did something wrong (like every other government does), you just create a story about how it was actually not an LGBT center, but rather an undercover CIA spy center. I'm sure all other government attacks on LGBT groups, orgs, forums and so on can be also explained by some made-up story. And I'm such a dumb person to expect people like you to create another story about Russia banning the queer instance.
The mental gymnastics you people do to justify any action of your favorite county's government that doesn't fit your idea of paradise in that country are incredible.
The guy who was being investigated was literally openly a fellow on the NEDs website. It's not a conspiracy lmfao.
Ah the NED, a non government organization fully founded by the US Government. Nothing to see here.
you just create a story about how it was actually not an LGBT center, but rather an undercover CIA spy center
Lol, lmao. Deeply unserious liberals either truly don't understand (or just support) the extent to which their Empire subjugates, interferes and attempts to destroy other nations because of ideology and geopolitics. You have no idea how evil the US empire is, and what it does to maintain it's brutal hegemony over the rest of the developing world.
I know that powerful governments operate various illegal places in other countries to serve their needs. China even admitted operating some illegal "police stations" in my country after they shut those down themselfs, and I have no doubts taht the USA does similar things. However, I haven't found any sources about this place being operated by US government. Maybe I'm bad at research, but no one from those claiming it was that provided any source either. The person in the second screenshot even says that they're just guessing. When I see my government, or US government, or the EU, do some bullshit, I don't immediately start thinking about how it was actually a move to defend from Chinese or Russian forces.
It's was the same in the thread I mentioned about China blocking access to lemmy.ml: there were definitely even some hexbear users criticizing China's censorship, but there were also multiple tankies writing essays about how the censoring is actually necessary because of capitalist propaganda (is lemmy.ml an US propaganda website?) and just doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify it. I know I'm using the words "mental gymnastics" too much now, but I just can't see any better naming for some of the comments out there. So, it's not just about this particular LGBT center, it's about this mentality of trying to come up with any reason of why the (usually Chinese) government is actually doing good thing. Isn't that the ultimate win of propaganda, when people no longer need government to falsely justify it's actions, because they do the justification themselves?
China even admitted operating some illegal "police stations" in my country after they shut those down themselfs
Lol
When I see my government, or US government, or the EU, do some bullshit, I don't immediately start thinking about how it was actually a move to defend from Chinese or Russian forces.
Honestly I don't believe you, I see it all the time, liberals constantly defending US imperialism in the name of stopping RuZZians or the evil Chinese commies.
So, it's not just about this particular LGBT center, it's about this mentality of trying to come up with any reason of why the (usually Chinese) government is actually doing good thing.
Oh I'm sorry, is finding a reason for a given action now explicit 100% support of said government's actions? Most of the time, yes, China is correct in blocking US interference, because they're one of the remaining socialist nations who, after being opened up with American help, is now being backstabbed and made out to be the enemy by the US political class. The reason why we "defend" these nations and many decisions they make is explicitly because (a) they're one of the remaining Actually Existing Socialist states left, (b) often, these countries are blockaded, or are active enemies and targets of Western political propaganda which means the news/media/social media is geared towards misinformation, disinformation and fake news on AES states. Because of this, us explaining how something isn't true is always met with the response that we're Russian or Chinese bots, because everyone has to believe in liberalism/conservatism and the superiority of Western Civilization™ and nothing else.
Isn't that the ultimate win of propaganda, when people no longer need government to falsely justify it's actions, because they do the justification themselves?
Isn't it the ultimate win of propaganda when the population believes they're not propagandised?
Who the fuck cares if China censors Lemmy? You fucks pretend like VPNs are not a common thing in China. If people want to get here, they will find a way.
It's not a good or bad thing, it just doesn't particularly matter.
China is heavily censoring internet and you fucks pretend that it's actually a good thing. If they're living so well you all pretend, they would clearly see all those western propaganda articles lying about them and not believe them.
you should go outside.
Thanks for your valuable insight
take a lap, dork.
CGTN was literally banned in the UK. Just this week the German police prevented a Palestine conference from going ahead and banned a leftist Greek politician (Yanis Varoufakis) from entering the country, as well as banning his participation in any conferences via virtual appearance, permanently. Don't pretend the west does not practice censorship.
God you don't even understand what the intention is with the firewall do you? Its to prevent companies like Google using it's global network and capital to monopolize services in China. Why do you think it is that China has such a robust local tech sector? Because they do not allow shit like Google so they can promote their own solutions. Its why alibaba does cloud computing, why WeChat is the everything app, and why Huawei is their leading phone brand.
And guess what? The US engages in the same fucking shit. The only reason you don't recognize that is because the US dominates the world tech market. Huawei phones were band for federal use, and you have to import them if you want one. Tiktok is under threat for the same reason, it's eating home grown social media apps for lunch.
There is a fucking reason why China has had consistent year after year GDP growth. Its the same reason the USSR had a consistent GDP growth after the October revolution, and why they went from a feudal system to the fucking solar system in 40 years. They have a better command over their economy. US capital does whatever it wants and its like pulling teeth to get it to do anything for the national good. Meanwhile, China is ripe with innovations and they leverage their command over their economy to set hard priorities and goals nationally.
Censorship is a western reductionist viewpoint, a thought terminating notion, a fucking brain worm.
If China didn't 'censor' the internet they never would have developed their own technology sector and there would be only one worldwide monopoly for search, social media, ect. You want to live in that world?
You say that with the moral presumption that "censorship is bad", when in reality it is just a tool. Every single country does it, there is no value in the way you are treating it. The US wanting to ban TikTok falls into the same category. If Brasil, my country, decides to ban twitter in the coming days because Elon is trying to mess with us by not banning users that are breaking the law, it would be censorship, but it would also also be sending a message to Musk and the US that we won't accept this kind of shit.
Besides that, like the person you're replying to already said, VPNs are very common in China, the government does not give a fuck if you want to access the parts of the internet that are banned there.
You stupid fucks are hilarious. Learn to not be an illiterate fuck. The internet censorship is not about information control, as I said, VPNs are a common enough thing in China, it's about the ability to domestically develop and control internet structures the way the U.S. does. If people want to interact with the U.S. internet, it is but a click away.
One of the more interesting drawbacks of the censorship of the Chinese Internet is that the average Chinese person has absolutely no idea how racist, belligerent and backwards-thinking most Americans are because they don't interact with them online. They, on average, want us to 'succeed and prosper' as they have, and don't tell themselves stories about how badly we're doing or how stupid we are in order to make themselves feel better. They understand how this whole 'capitalism' thing is supposed to work far better than we do and so they don't care about.competeing, and they realize that it is a competition, but they think it should be friendly. After all, that's good for business, right, you liberal schmuck?
All I do is pay them the same common courtesy that they pay me.
So instead of looking for the "Why" you make up a story why aesthetics is enough to analyse. You jump directly to "the government did wrong" before even looking at the "why". If the "why" isn't good, then the government did something wrong, not the other way around. Learn logic ffs.
And stop making up fan fictions. It is annoying. No one wrote anything about paradise of other insane shit you assume.
You ever notice how reactionary conservative organizations often use doublespeak for their names and missions? Think of like Focus on the Family or things of that nature. What if I told you this practice isnt limited to conservative organizations?
If those queer orgs didn't want to get banned, they shouldn't have been dogs of the US. Simple as.
Can you show me where the government healthcare is for trans children in the US or UK please?
China is expanding healthcare for trans children with hundreds of clinics nationwide. After its first clinic was successful just a couple of years ago.
How on earth can you possibly pretend that the west is better for trans people when it is legislatively committing genocide against us? While China is clearly following the science to the letter... It is OBVIOUS that things are going the wrong direction for us in the west while things are going in the correct direction for us in China. No amount of citing weird individual outlier situations in a country of 1.4 billion population instead of looking at what is actually being carried out in terms of functional actual infrastructure and policy will change that.
For the record, I am Chinese.
All orgs that receive foreign funding are eligible to be shut down. Straight, LGBT, doesn't matter. Especially if it's run a Fellow at Salzburg Global, an organization run by an American Billionaire. Sure is a made-up story with a paper trail on the website itself.
If it was straight up about silencing LGBT, the government wouldn't be opening transgender clinics for kids, an act that would cause domestic terrorism by some MAGA dipshit with a smooth brain if it were to happen in the US on private property, let alone a government funded one.
The Beijing No 2 Intermediate People’s Court went on to state that “social tolerance is a blessing of the rule of law” and highlighted the need to “respect diverse ways of living and protect the dignity of transgender people.”
In conclusion: The LGBT orgs that were shut down was due to foreign ties, not the state being inherently against the concept of queer people.
because tankies don't actually support Russia (sure)
This is the same thing you fools do with elections. Whenever someone says they won't support Biden you scream that it automatically means we support Trump despite knowing deep down in your heart of hearts that that is complete and total bullshit.
You swim in a sea of ideology. You drown yourselves in it to the point that you no longer say rational things or analyse situations as rational actors.
I didn't screenshot the comment you posted because there's nothing wrong with it lmfao
Don't you think you have a journalistic responsibility to report a fair and balanced accounting of events as they transpired?