"We support the Russian Federation's opposition to US imperialism. We oppose their reactionary government including the state suppression of lgbtq+ people, minority nationalities and ethnic groups, etc. Using these issues as cudgels for US/NATO imperialism hurts all people in Russia, including oppressed minorities, and undermines the progressive nature of those liberation struggles in that country."
The Biden voters among them probably project their harm-reduction-but-actually-uncritical-support mindset onto people that support hamas/ anyone opposed to the us
i love how that dude makes an absolutely ridiculous assumption, as i've never seen a "tankie" deny that current russia is reactionary as fuck, but since he's saying Bad Thing about The Tankies everyone just goes "hmm yea those tankies amirite? smh"
liberals are fucking idiots, they never have any idea what they're actually talking about and just throw around concepts and categories with the level of understanding of a monkey playing with a power tool
The only people representing themselves as "communists" while actively vocally supporting reactionary policies from Putin are the American "national socialists"... wait, no it says "MAGA communists" here on the paper. My bad.
The nationalistic, reactionary, openly "conservative social values" guys trying to claim to be "true" communists/socialists.
I mean I guess if the liberals are tricked by all like 15 of those dipshits who even exist worldwide, it might explain some things. Probably less "being tricked" and more just willfully buying into confirmation bias to help themselves keep supporting a genocidal president.
And just in case there's any confused liberals reading this: Marxism is inherently against bigotries like anti-LGBTQ+, racism, etc. because Marxists can recognize that these are socially constructed divisions used by capitalists to divide workers and prevent solidarity. (And obviously this isn't a denial of historical and modern oppression of people from marginalized groups. That oppression is and was real. But differences amongst humans have been stigmatized and weaponized on purpose. For so long that some people believe this is "natural" unfortunately) You can't show solidarity only with straight white workers and expect to achieve worldwide socialism. It doesn't mean everyone who calls (or called) themselves a socialist was perfect and fully accepting of all people. That would be pretending people aren't flawed now or in the past. But fundamentally, it's a contradiction to call yourself a communist/socialist/left anarchist/whatever else similar and also support anti-trans, anti-gay, racist, etc. politics. That's playing into the wishes of capitalists on top of also just making you a shit human. (It's also a contradiction to support imperialism, especially when it's from the worst offender: the US or it's proxies)
The nationalistic, reactionary, openly "conservative social values" guys trying to claim to be "true" communists/socialists.
Also there's like thirty of them. We know because they had a hilariously small convention, and then their group shattered over sexual harassment allegations.
They make a boogeyman and then they tell one another campfire tales about how tankies are like this and how tankies do that.
It's really endemic especially across the progressive to radlib spectrum. (The conservative and more reactionary end also do it but it's in a different way - they appear to just make baseless claims that are post-hoc rationalisations to justify what they want to do but that's a different discussion.)
But yeah, the radlibs and centrists will gather round and assure one another that the tankie will simultaneously never actually read theory, they'll worship Marx/Stalin/whoever, they treat Capital like scripture, they actually support any sort of movement which drapes itself in a red flag, they can't argue and they'll just yell at everyone to read theory, they will enter into mainstream discourse and subvert it to turn people into Marxists if you let them, they spend all of their time online in circlejerks and they are no threat to anyone, they are a powerful voting bloc and they are an existential threat to Biden's reelection, they are all Chinese/Russian bots, they are all brainwashed victims of a political cult, they are all power-hungry opportunists who are just using socialism as a vehicle to achieve their power fantasies, they are all children who do not understand the real world, they spend all of their time reading and arguing about theory rather than doing anything effectual.
And they all sit around patting eachother on the backs for regurgitating these stories, each more fanciful than the last, and none of them seem to notice the contradictory claims.
It's a bit like the libs who cry fascism over Trump and when you ask them what did they do to resist fascism when Trump was in power you get cheap excuses and blank stares.
Like if I'm a brainwashed child that is a cult-victim then why would you berate me and throw all sorts of accusations at me?
If I treat communist theory as scripture and quote it at people then how is it that I also do not read any theory?
If I support anything that is draped in a red flag then why not start a "communist" wing of the DNC to funnel votes to Biden?
If I don't actually achieve anything and I'm relegated to an online circlejerk then how can I be a subversive infiltrator that will pervert good, honest liberal discourse to trick people into becoming communist (by yelling at people to read theory??) and how is it that I can influence the presidential elections?
They know there is a threat of well-meaning liberals moving leftwards when exposed to actual leftists. The entire goal is inoculation against exposure. Tell untrue tales about what we are that are so bad they do not wish to see it or engage. Make it so bad that when accidentally exposed to us they are pre-primed for a poor interaction due to the hostility and expectations that are set.
It's about making sure that liberal is the furthest left that people ever go.
liberals think us merely saying Russia is a reactionary capitalist hellscape isn't enough. They're so deep in the weeds that any opinion of Russia other than wanting their total annihilation is considered a defense. Being in the real world where Russia is simply yet another capitalist country isn't correct to them. It has to be the most evil concentration of people on Earth or else you're giving them too much slack.
What was the goldmine in the thread about us being blocked in China? I remember people wondering why, people speculating, and one poster from China saying that they were accessing the site without a VPN just fine.
I remember going to some forum where they were complaining about being "blocked by china" years ago. Except I was reading the forum in China and I wasn't even using a VPN. That site is bullshit.
My comment from the original thread about this thread:
Great thread. I especially love how some guy aks why the thread I mentioned was a goldmine and gets immediate response with screenshot of some funny comments. I love that @good_girl@hexbear.net who took the screenshot must have seen the rest, comments like this:
but still decided to screenshot only the funny comments. Anyways, happy dunking.
EDIT:
Also, most of comments in the thread are crying about how could I ever imagine tankie defending anti-LGBT move from Russia, because tankies don't actually support Russia (sure). Well, this comment proves that tankies are definitely able to do all mental gymnastics to defend moves like that:
If they defend China closing LGBT center, am I so crazy to expect them to defend Russia closing LGBT instance?
Because "LGBT center" is a western NGO, that should ring some bells. Pink washing is well alive.
Maybe do not stop you research on the fact that is was banned, but look into WHY it was banned. In other words, look beyond the aesthetics at the actual reasons. You people claim we support anything that has the right aesthetics, yet do exactly that every single time with no appareant capacity of learning from experience.
Sure, so instead of admitting that China's goverment did something wrong (like every other government does), you just create a story about how it was actually not an LGBT center, but rather an undercover CIA spy center. I'm sure all other government attacks on LGBT groups, orgs, forums and so on can be also explained by some made-up story. And I'm such a dumb person to expect people like you to create another story about Russia banning the queer instance.
The mental gymnastics you people do to justify any action of your favorite county's government that doesn't fit your idea of paradise in that country are incredible.
because tankies don't actually support Russia (sure)
This is the same thing you fools do with elections. Whenever someone says they won't support Biden you scream that it automatically means we support Trump despite knowing deep down in your heart of hearts that that is complete and total bullshit.
You swim in a sea of ideology. You drown yourselves in it to the point that you no longer say rational things or analyse situations as rational actors.