Republicans aren't pro-gun. They're pro-republicans-with-guns. Maybe pro-straight-white-christians-with-guns.
I like guns too. I shot them at a range and I'm pretty good. It's like a video game where you make you're breathing right and all that jazz.
If someone asked me if I wanted to fire guns but also children were to die in schools due to unfettered gun access thanks to those rules. I'd say, thanks but no thanks.
PSA: modern gun control laws enacted by Republicans to keep guns away from Blacks
I'm not an american and guns are not legal where i live. And i'm sorry but most people in the world are way to daft and angry and should NOT be allowed to be anywhere near a gun.
And no, just because someone with a gun would want to hurt me but then i would have a gun too, is not a valid response. I'm not gonna survive a shootout. I'm not john wick.
I'm so far left that I got my guns back 🙂
The only sticking point is the guns.
I joined up with liberalgunowners on that other site for a while, thinking I might find kindred souls that were pro-shooting sports, but understood that the way we handled gun ownership in this country had some problems.
Nope.
They were just as devoid of nuance and reason when it came to gun ownership as the conservatives. They figured slapping a rainbow or a “no step on snek” patch on their molle tacticool gear was good enough, but thoughts and prayers if a gay nightclub got shot up.
So yeah, I think guns are fun and have a place in hunting and other sports. But not like what we’ve got now.
How can you be anti something another person chooses to do privately with their body blows my mind
How you can be anti able to end others lives using a tool specifically crafted, to not hinder or disable, no but end other peoples ability to continue breathing and living, is beyond me
People have such paranoid hate towards others and then treat themselves like shit and rationalise instead of just fixing their own doorstep before attacking others
There’s a comedian that pointed out this is why conservative groups garner so much support.
“Do you oppose abortion?” “No.” “Do you hate the gays?” “No.” “Do you think illegal immigrants should be shot?” “Yeah.” “Well, COME ON DOWN!”
Meanwhile, liberal groups after asking about 18 issues: “Are you vegan?” “No.” “Well, I BET you voted for TRUMP!!”
I miss when we could find common ground in politics.
I love guns. I adore guns. Guns are great. They're fascinating pieces of engineering, tools, and exercises of skill. I would never own one (to my great regret) due to the increased risk of suicide from gun-owners, but I think that responsible gun ownership is a great thing and a cultural cornerstone of Americana.
But no one in the US who claims to be pro-gun should be allowed anywhere near a gun.
Maybe in some frozen waste like Canada where it's not completely piss-easy to get a gun, one can describe oneself as pro-gun. But in the US? No.
There’s hundreds of us!
It's ok you can call yourself a leftist...
I'm pro using torts to make everyone in the chain of a gun tragedy pay for their externalities. Didn't secure your gun and got it negligently stolen and someone was killed? That'll be bankruptcy. Marketed something you knew would kill someone unlawfully? Good luck staying in business friend.
It'd be interesting if folks had to pay for the real cost of gun ownership.
Okay so most people would be like, "Oh everyone but me, should not be allowed to have guns, because I'm morally righteous, and think of the power, and think of how cool I am and how cool I would be with a cool gun.", right. That's the only position people have, I think, there's people who have that position, and liars who are lying. Okay, cool.
But me, no. Me, I think everyone but me should have a gun. To even the odds, for the rest of you.
Hey all I am saying is hand a gun to one side in this image and one of them is trigger happy versus the other.
Also, how come when people argue about like, gun related shenaniganery, they always talk about like, oh, well, if the government comes and hits you with a drone strike, then, you'll be fucked. I mean, no shit sherlock.
For one, that'd be fucking nuts, I think that'd probably make it on the nightly news and probably the president would undergo serious investigation and maybe get impeached.
For two, I think probably you are more likely to use a gun to walk around and not get fucking killed by the police when you decide to protest outside of a courthouse, or walk around your community to make sure the cops don't harass people or shoot people without being beholden the the community which they are also supposedly serving. Especially if there's more than one of you, if there's only one of you and the cops come around and have no idea who you are and you're waving a gun around, then you're probably gonna get the police called on you, and you will probably maybe get shot. Black panthers did it, anywho, and they were cool, so that's really all I'm saying.
For three, how does this like, insane civil war scenario come about? How come that's the main default scenario everyone's heads go to whenever this shit comes up? That's insane. You're telling me that the military, a military made up of like, a bunch of dudes who mostly just wanted free college as far as I can ascertain, you're telling me that they'd just like go and unflinchingly steamroll the normal citizenry and become part of a fascist dictatorship? That also strikes me as kind of nuts. You might not be wrong, but it does strike me as kind of nut,s and probably like they would have a huge discipline problem considering the amount of the military which has like pretty radically different political views. You'd probably have to see the centrist liberal types, the monoculture, slide way harder to the right, by which I mean, a couple inches. I find it more likely that, as we saw with BLM, if the US was to undergo civil unrest, it would probably be confined to a couple discrete locations and probably it wouldn't be that well organized, both in execution or opposition. Probably also you'd just see an embrace of guerilla tactics, and, I mean, we've seen the modern military's track record as far as that goes.
So, I dunno. Seems like a pretty stupid conversation to me. Someone hit me with the self-defense thing too so I can argue about how that's really stupid and self-defense is stupid and dumb
Reading these comments it seems like most of the anti gun crowd thinks pro gun is about machismo at the cost of tragedy. It's mainly about protection of the people from the government. It's the last failsafe to keeping free in the case of tyranny. We all agree there needs to be better regulation because in the past and currently the laws are designed over feelings and not facts, for example barrel length restrictions or pistol grips that mainly only effects the ergonomics.
That just means you're reasonable. So yeah, both parties aren't big fans of that.
Centre right - like Sanders
