Spurred by Teen Girls, States Move to Ban Deepfake Nudes
Spurred by Teen Girls, States Move to Ban Deepfake Nudes
Legislators in two dozen states are working on bills, or have passed laws, to combat A.I.-generated sexually explicit images of minors.
The laws regarding a lot of this stuff seem to ignore that people under 18 can and will be sexual.
If we allow people to use this tech for adults (which we really shouldn't), then we have to accept that people will use the same tech on minors. It isn't even necessarily pedophilia on all cases (such as when the person making them is also a minor)*, but it's still something that very obviously shouldn't be happening.
* we don't need to get into semantics. I'm just saying it's not abnormal (the way pedophilia is) for a 15-year old to be attracted to another 15-year old in a sexual way.
Without checks in place, this technology will INEVITABLY be used to undress children. If the images are stored anywhere, then these companies will be storing/possessing child pornography.
The only way I can see to counteract this would be to invade the privacy of users (and victims) to the point where nobody using them """legitimately""" would want to use it...or to just ban them outright.
such as when the person making them is also a minor
I get the point you're tying to make. But minors taking nudes of themselves is illegal in a lot of places, because it's still possession.
And that's still a bit messed up. It's a felony for a teen to have nude pictures of themselves and they'll be registered sex offenders for life and probably ineligible for most professions. Seems like quite a gross over reaction. There needs to be a lot of reform in this area but no politician wants to look like a "friend" to pedophiles.
Which is more of a "zero-tolerance" policy, like unto giving the same punishment to a student defending themselves as the one given to the person who initiated the attack.
I get the point you're tying to make. But minors taking nudes of themselves is illegal in a lot of places, because it's still possession.
I agree, and on the one hand, I understand why it could be good to consider it illegal (to prevent child porn from existing), but it does also seem silly to treat it as a case of pedophilia.
That’s a lot of words to defend fake child porn made out of photos and videos of actual children.
That's about the right amount of words to completely ignore the sentiment of a statement so you can make a vapid holier-than-thou statement based on purported moral superiority.
That’s a lot of words to defend fake child porn made out of photos and videos of actual children.
Uh...this is the second sentence or so (and the start of the second paragraph, I think)
If we allow people to use this tech for adults (which we really shouldn't)
So I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm defending AI-generated child porn.
Unless you're so adamant about AI porn generators existing that banning their usage on adults (or invading the privacy of the users and victims with oversight) is outright unthinkable? Lol
I'm saying that IF the technology exists, people will be using it on pictures of children. We need to keep that in mind when we think about laws for this stuff. It's not just adults uploading pictures of themselves (perfectly fine) or adult celebrities (not fine, but probably more common than any truly acceptable usage).
This genie is probably impossible to get back in the bottle.
People are going to just direct the imitative so called AI program to make the face just different enough to have plausible deniability that it's a fake of this person or that person. Or use existing tech to age them to 18+ (or 30+ or whatever). Or darken or lighten their skin or change their eye or hair color. Or add tattoos or piercings or scars...
I'm not saying we should be happy about it, but it is here and I don't think it's going anywhere. Like, if you tell your so called AI to give you a completely fictional nude image or animation of someone that looks similar to Taylor Swift but isn't Taylor Swift, what's the privacy (or other) violation, exactly?
Does Taylor Swift own every likeness that looks somewhat like hers?
It’s also not a new thing. It’s just suddenly much easier for the layman to do. Previously, you needed some really good photoshop skills to pull it off. But you could make fake nudes if you really wanted to, and were willing to put in the time and effort.
This does give prosecutors a new angle though. So it's not for nothing.
Yay, more things to waste money on.
If the prompt includes “Taylor swift” or an image of her. Then it doesn’t matter if the AI slightly changed it, it used her likeness to generate the image and so she should have rights to the image and the ability to claim damages.
The same thing should apply to using deepfake porn AIs to make non consensual nudes of private person, or heck manually creating nonconsensual deepfake nudes should also fall under the same definition
This is not how it works. Paparazzi that take her image own the rights to the image. Not Taylor Swift. They make the money on the image when they sell it and Taylor Swift gets nothing out of the sale and has no rights on that transaction. If you're in public you can be photographed. If a photographer takes an image and releases it to public domain, the subjects of the image will have no say in it unless the photographer broke some other law. (Eg peeping Tom laws or stalking)
This is probably not the best context but I find it crazy how fast the government will get involved if it involves lude content but children are getting mudered in school shootings and gun control is just a bridge too far.
I think they act faster on those matters because, aside from being a very serious problem, they also have a conservative agenda.
Is very easy to say: "LOOK, WE ARE DOING THIS TO PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN FROM PEDOPHILES!!!"
But they can't just go and say "let's enforce gun safety on schools", because having a conservative voter reading "gun safety" will already go bad for them.
They know they are sacrificing the well being of children by not acting on the school shootings, but for them is just the price of a few lives to stay in power.
That's because it's a problem that affects rich people.
There's no competing interests when it comes to protecting child from child sexual exploitation. When it comes to protecting them from guns, there is the competing interest of the second amendment.
Those shootings don’t happen in private schools.
Nudes happen in private schools.
No reason not to ban them entirely.
The problem is enforcing the ban. Would it be a crime to have access to the software, or would they need to catch the criminals with the images and video files? It would be trivial to host a site in a country without legal protections and make the software available from anywhere.
Would it be a crime to have access to the software, or would they need to catch the criminals with the images and video files?
Problem with the former is that would outlaw any self hosted image generator. Any image generator is capable of use for deep fake porn
I feel like a sensible realistic course of action with this is it needs to be in the act of sharing/distributing. It would be way to broad otherwise as the tools that generate this stuff have unlimited purposes. Obvious child situations should be dealt with in the act of production of but the enforcement mechanism needs to be on the sharing/distribution part. Unfortunately analogy is blame the person not the tool on this one.
Right. And honestly, this should already be covered under existing harassment laws.
Yeah, I feel like if you find this shit on someone's computer, whether they shared it or not, there should be some consequences. Court-mandated counseling at a minimum.
"We're gonna ban Internet stuff" is something said by people who have no idea how the Internet works.
They probably do this to satisfy voters who also don't know how the internet works.
That title is…misleading. Why start it that way?
Hey we said no deepfakes!
It does sound off. But, then again, these are politicians, so it could go either way.
For some reason I thought it was mainly to protect Taylor Swift, with teen girls being the afterthought.
Won't somebody please think of Taylor?!
But not that way...
Rich families sometimes also have teen girls among them.
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Spurred by rich people*
We don't solve problems that only affect poor people.
My digital bobs and vagene is very special I'll have you know
And no chance it's because they want to, uh, thoroughly investigate the evidence....
probably a good thing but just banning something doesnt do anything - you have to enforce it by getting rid of the software & then keep enforcing it
I don't know why you got down voted, youre right. This is going to be ridiculously hard to enforce
I downvoted him because it's not a good thing and going further to ban the software is even worse.
This is a waste of resources that could be better spent helping humanity. Instead, we use it to protect affluent white girls from their own insecurity.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Caroline Mullet, a ninth grader at Issaquah High School near Seattle, went to her first homecoming dance last fall, a James Bond-themed bash with blackjack tables attended by hundreds of girls dressed up in party frocks.
Since early last year, at least two dozen states have introduced bills to combat A.I.-generated sexually explicit images — known as deepfakes — of people under 18, according to data compiled by the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, a nonprofit organization.
nudification apps is enabling the mass production and distribution of false, graphic images that can potentially circulate online for a lifetime, threatening girls’ mental health, reputations and physical safety.
A lawyer defending a male high school student in a deepfake lawsuit in New Jersey recently argued that the court should not temporarily restrain his client, who had created nude A.I.
Under the new Louisiana law, any person who knowingly creates, distributes, promotes or sells sexually explicit deepfakes of minors can face a minimum prison sentence of five to 10 years.
After learning of the incident at Issaquah High from his daughter, Senator Mullet reached out to Representative Orwall, an advocate for sexual assault survivors and a former social worker.
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