Do you consider the term "rice" or "ricer" to be racist?

The term comes from car modifications, when people would modify Japanese cars. Folks called them "rice burners" and it evolves from there.

I have never heard this in the Linux community, though, so it might just be a you thing

I'm not a part of the demographic who would experience racism around this. So, I can't comment there.

I am a white hipster though. So, I usually call my window manager customizations "artisanally hand crafted".

dude, you need a break from the internet

@const_void nobody cares. If you enter the Linux customization community, see the word "ricer" or "rice", and get offended, you probably need a break from the internet.

First time I'm hearing of this, how would this possibly be racist?

My understanding of the term (from an asian american perspective I guess) is that it at most has a connection to race through the origins of ricing, and since the origins and current usage has never seemed derogatory and is simply about the Asian origins of automotive ricing I don't think it's racist at all. I see it as no different to any other term that reflects the origins of something that is connected to a specific ethnicity, especially when the term isn't derogatory and isn't used to otherize (which is how I consider model-minority stereotypes to be racist despite not being "negative").

This is the same as people not using Gimp because they never understood what really means and feel it's derogatory. Sometimes a word is just that, a word, and there's no profit from overthinking it. But in the same regard you can use the term "theme" if it makes you happier.

You should stop focusing on vocabulary and get your mind on intent, this is getting stupid.

Yes, it is a derogatory term from car modification. Taking away the context doesn't make it any less racist.

Being a non-american, I never really liked the term "rice" because it's not an intuitive term to convey modifying or customizing a system. But I have used it because that's what the subreddit used to call it. I never thought it might be racist as I never saw anyone use the term in a racist manner - I can't even understand how it could be racist - outside of this community, rice is just a word for something I eat for most of my meals. But again, I'm not american, so I might be lacking some cultural context - the whole culture war thing kind of escapes me and I'm not up to date on the list of forbidden words.

No.

Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements

bro take your pills

So, is this like a joke post making fun of what was posted in the pcmr community? I'm legitimately asking, I can't tell if this is a troll or not.

I'm surprised to see it suddenly in wide use here, honestly. I've been 'in the linux community' for 25 years or so and only started seeing people use it in this context in the last month. Jarring isn't the right word but it seems sudden to me knowing the connotations from the mid-to-late 90s car culture.

I don't know but it seems like it's a 'nix thing.

I was in the Windows customization scene for years and never heard the term "ricing" until I discovered customization on Linux.

Never heard either, but ricer would clearly be racist as there’s no general contemporary reason for the word.

I don't think it is racist. I feel like we have gone a few steps too far trying to associate everything with race. By the way, "hey here's my theme I just did for my fresh Arch installation" just doesn't have the same ring to it. About that origins as a racist term thing, like it or not, it's now the term for the seeds of Oryza sativa, and there isn't some alternative way of referring to rice. That means it is now widely accepted as a non-racist term.

I first heard the term coming from Asian dudes talking shit to white dudes about their cars, so I never saw it as racist.

i've never seen it used in a pejorative way, and the usage and meaning of the word in collectif consciousness is "theming". So even if it was used in a bad way, it's not relevent anymore, since the meaning have changed.

It's uses in the theming space is already ironical since it's supposed to be a pejorative term for cars, it's use is way beyond it's origins now, and it's root in racism is flimsy at best, if one day goth groups start hanging out in gyms to bother people doing sports, calling them gym crows won't be a racist statement despite what the wiki will say about it.

I only know the term form car tuning. And specifically used for tricked out Japanese cars. The term picked up steam after Need for Speed - Tokyo drift.

Besides that it’s also used for Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements. Only cosmetics and no performance, the opposite of a sleeper car. In this case it’s a bad thing. And if a word is used in a bad way and has a possible race connection in can be considered racist. If someone feels offended because an it’s race related, just assume it’s racist.

I would if every Korean in my town didn't use the term for any Japanese car or motorcycle.

Wait, that's not racist, but it is nationalist. I think. I've never actually asked them if they use the term for other Asian brands.

I do not.

I thought it had to do with the fact that most themes on Linux consist of a large collection of dotfiles, dots, rice. But that might just be me

I don't think it's racist. I just don't like it. Themes or theming works for me. It just makes me think of the kids who install kali and describe themselves as haxors.

I personally don't see it as racist in the context it's used (to me, context and how something is used is everything), then again, when I first heard the term a few years back, it was in the context of an acronym: Racing Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements. Nothing racist about that, I mean...I see several cars owners, racing or otherwise, tricking their rides up with spoilers or annoying loud exhausts all the time. All ethnicities, not just strictly asian. It might have come from a racist thing*, and if it did, that doesn't mean that that's what has to define it for all time.

I also agree with tables; you can't exactly choose a "nicer" alternative for something everytime a couple of people get offended by a word. It's just not feasible, IMO. IDK, I was raised with the mindset of: There's going to be people in life that are going to take offense to something you do or say even if you didn't mean to offend in the slightest.

*it could have, but I'm not entirely sure personally. I checked out the wiki article you linked, and find it odd that when originally looked up the term RICE on wikipedia, there was no racist conotations at all (and i know this because i often used to refer to that article when i explained what the acronym meant to others), or if there were, it was a footnote, but now it's front and center. Not saying you're wrong and this is some revisionist piece at all, just noticing that, is all. Like I said, this very well could be the original meaning.

I'm a typical white guy, so my opinion on this doesn't really matter.

But for what its worth, I've lived in Japan, a and I personally never met any English-speaking Japanese people who were offended by the term "rice burner," or "ricing." For the most part they don't seem to care about their tech being associated with rice.

Standard disclaimer: my observation may not apply to everyone in that group.

Nah, seems to be a different meaning, and I think it probably has to do with dot files as other comments have mentioned. Also rice burner and other terms seems to have been used directly in conjunction with Asians, to insult products made by them or the people themselves. As Unix is not really a Asian product so to speak, I doubt they're related too much, and if so only tangentially.

No I'm not removed

I've been living with this term for a decade now and this is literally the first time I hear someone gets offended from that word.

Are you const_void asian by yourself?

It's absolutely racist. Calling a car a "rice burner" is also racist as hell.