Bye Felicia [Crosspost]

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- Yea, I was banned for rule 2 for saying hexbear and lemmygrad ban you for disagreeing in reply to someone saying lemmy.world wants an ecochamber.
  Also a comment got removed where I said that both hamas and Israel are bad for killing civilians. Apparently that violated rule 1 of no bigotry.
  Some sussy stuff is going on in their mod team for sure.
  
  They have a exceptionally weak worldview and can't handle open discussions, this isn't a surprise considering their entire instance is banned in China. They're emulating their favorite shithole.
  
  That shit is what kills me. They dogpile on and repeat the same bullshit arguments when they venture outside. Quickly ban any level of discourse or debate about their ideas. Then call everyone else and eco chamber because they don't like it when your don't agree with them.
- I just got a ban as well, they didn't like me saying I assume anyone bleating about communism online hasn't been through puberty yet.
  
  Lemmy.ml deleted my comments that were correcting disinformation but left the intentional lie. No explanation or notice given. Happy to explain more if anyone is actually interested.
  When I called them out the called me racist for saying "CCP" and deleted my comments. They also deleted other people's comments in the thread.
  Lemmy.ml is hot fucking garbage.
  
  So you made the same joke they make about libertarians and got banned? That's kind of amusing.
  
  You're wrong. But we definitely agreed about the childishness of "leninists". They're no ones ally. Actual communists are actually pretty agreeable/chill most of the time.
- Honestly can we stop using their instance for memes? Why are we coalescing in a place where you can't criticize the place itself?
  
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- I wonder... Maybe it's just the mods. I had no idea what a tankie was, and the definition I was getting was ridiculous - so I went over to lemmygrad
  They didn't defend Mao or China (which is by any definition, capitalist). They just attacked America, which is whataboutism, but not the same as defending authoritarian countries... They did make a lot of nonsensical posts about dielectric dichotomies, but again, that's an ideology without a firm core, very different from supporting genocidal regimes like Russia or China (which are again, forms of tightly controlled capitalism -ussr included)
  Although I was attacked for my spelling and criticized for using the term tankie, no one actually said anything supporting authoritarian regimes. Every snipe I made at China or Russia got zero reaction
  But I didn't get any attention from the mods, maybe there's another story there
  
  The problem with the definition isnt that its inaccurate per se irs more so that tankies have kinda realized on some level that they get derided for it so they cover it in like 5 layers of obfuscation. Combine that with folks doing it ironically and ya get a 4chan situation where ya cant tell whos serious and whos not.
  Also doesnt help that some of them are legit just anti-american and just dont think about anything outside of North America. Theyre a diverse group and the term Tankie was xreated long enough ago that its sorta becomes inaccurate with the edge cases.

Not to be "that guy" but lemmygrad is not about national socialism. They are but jobs that will do Olympic level mental gymnastics routines to defend anything and everything Russia or China does, but that doesn't make then Nazis, "just" on the same moral level as Nazis.
- They're tankies. Pure and simple. Sick of people calling them socialists, they aren't even communists. They're delusional anti-western China/Russia good, tankies.
  
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- You're right they aren't Nazis. But they do want a warped form of national socialism. One that honestly goes against the basic intent of socialism as originally envisioned. Like the other national socialists.
  Leninists, Soviet Russia, North Korea, China all qualify as socialism and communism only by the flimsiest most dishonest pretenses. They are more than an anything authoritarian. Anything else is just coincidental.
- Amazing that your comment shows +15 and -0 votes at the moment. A month ago or thereabouts I made similar comments comparing Communists to Nazis in regard to how authoritarianism is bad and people hated that shit.
  EDIT: haha there's my downvotes, bring it on you commie dipshits. Fuck communism, fuck the CCP, fuck Russia and all the rest.
  Communists are barely better than Nazis.
  
  Communists are great. Authoritarians are the problem. Much like how Nazis called themselves socialists, plenty of other awful people like to adopt our words and twist them to manipulate.
  
  I don't think you know what communism is and how Russia /China/etc. fail at it. Speaking as a non-communist, I I think you should seek to deepen your understanding before engaging with the topic further.
  
  There exist anti-authoritarian communists. (They're called "anarchists". Pro-capitalists have in relatively recent times appropriated the term, so don't let them confuse you.) You're getting downvotes because you're conflating communism with authoritarianism just because you've personally never had experience with anarchists.
  
  My instance doesn't have downvotes and this feels very reddity to me

Here we go again!
- Thank you for your service.

They're don't believe in socialism, they believe in authoritarianism. Therefore, they will defend any ancillary ethos.
- I'm so glad this instance understands the difference and has good takes on Palestine and Israel. Reddit is chockful of... shit when i decided to browse it earlier.
- Nazis: Socialism for me but not for ye.
  
  There was absolutely no socialism for anyone in the Nazi regime.

The mods on lemmy.ml are a bunch of sensitive bitches. I once made a meme criticizing the lack of concrete rules... It got deleted
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- The only concrete rule is don't question authority
- Don't like it, don't use it. Why are you being a crybaby?

I can still see the ml one but if it’s here…
I don’t understand, is this supposed to say that grad is nazis? They’re very explicit about not allowing nazis and adjacent stuff.
- To be honest we don't have a real name for them. They say they support the tenets of national socialism, deride capitalism, engage in liberalism, and hate the working class.
  Call them what you will. Nazi, neo-nazi, neo-neo-nazi, neo-bolshevik, I don't know. In any case it's all different flavours of fascism.
  
  "Tankies" that's the word for Nazis with a Russian coat of paint.
  Edit: Lmao the downvotes. I just gave an objective description of the term OP is looking for. I'm a hardcore socialist myself and if you feel like the term "Tankie" is insulting you, then MAYBE you have an issue.
  
  They're CCP or maybe Kremlin operatives organizing shills, LLMs, and useful idiots to spread propaganda.
  That's why it's hard to say what they are. They aren't actually socialists, they're happy to support both extremes in order to increase division in their group opponents.
  
  I’ve never seen a grad say they support the tenets of national socialism or that they hate the working class. Can you show me?
- Sure they disallow nazis, but they do exactly what nazis tend to do; alienate, dehumanize and propagandize.
  
  there is not a big enough 🤔 emoji to reply to this post.
- There's a huge astroturfing campaign going on in Lemmy.World. Just kick these rightwingers' teeth in.

~~national socialism~~ authoritarian communism
FIFY
- For sure, i live in canada, which has socilistic institutions (national healthcare, social security, ect)
  I'm a huge fan of some socialism, but do NOT want to see full communism.
  
  These are not socialist institutions, they're capitalist institutions. You pay for their services and you get the services you were promised.
- In real world terms, sure, but this was definitely a reference to what the Nazis called themselves.

I filter that whole server. It's a ridiculous amount of propaganda.
Users need the power to block servers.
- Users also need the ability to block replies on specific comments/posts. Say anything that goes against their group think and you'll get a ton of replies
- It's an upcoming general feature, but in the meantime several of the third party apps let you block by instance. I use Connect, and I've heard Boost does too.
  I blocked hexbear, because they tend to start fights everywhere, and the NSFW instances so I can use my phone around my kids.

average .ml behavior lol

I have the time. I mean, it's gotta be a pretty short conversation because there are no benefits.
- I mean, there are if you’re „arian“, not disabled or otherwise made a target and don’t get snitched on by your neighbors.
  In that case you can live like a „free“ person while people around you „disappear“ which would not freak you out at all. (/s)
  You are not actually free though because if you openly criticize anything, you disappear as well.
  I suppose the common theme is „murderous authoritarianism“.

Response from Lemmy.world “Do you have a second to remove my boot from your ass?"

Good post
- Appreciated.

Can someone tell me what specifically got Lemmygrad.ml defederated? Was there a particular post or community or a pattern of behavior?
- Pattern of behaviour that the Lemmygrad.ml mods both allowed and participated in. Many of the Lemmygrad communities had already been defederated before this point due to moderation issues.
- I believe there was a server, "Meanwhile on grad" watching their clearly hysterical behaviour. It was very much like subreddits watching TheDonald, the mods are idiots, too. I'm sure that "Meanwhile on grad" server still exists, but I got subscriptions and stopped looking at other servers.

There's another name for rightwingers: regressivist idiots.

You know it baffles in my mind that pleated pants ever existed.

You’re not one of those delusional right wing fucks who think Hitler was a leftist because Nazi had the word socialist in it are you?
- No, I'm one of those very cognizant democratic socialists who knows the difference between a tankie and neo-nazis playing dress up as leftists.
  Funny thing about real socialists and communists, they hate authoritarianism too.
  
  Hexbear/Lemmygrad are extreme and authoritarian, but that does not a Nazi make.
  Just call them tankies, no need to dilute the waters with Nazi co-opting of left wing concepts. All that does is associate socialism and nazism, something no real leftist would do.
  
  Curious to know your thoughts on the Communist Party of India (Maoist).
- Your inability to understand this situation explains why you're so angry about nonsense and unable to identify the politics of this meme.
- No Lemmygrad is unironically populated by Nazis
- Dog, I agree with your point and I wanted to downvote you. There's so many better ways to frame this idea