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  • I asked you to define the term to highlight that what you're referring to is untestable and as you pointed out unmeasurable.

    I'm not suggesting you apply the scientific method to spirituality, though. I'm suggesting that Cause can be unmeasurable. If we can do that, it opens up possibilities for new understanding.

    I think the material world can only be half explained by modern physics. (I have a few reasons for coming to this conclusion, which I'll share if you care to hear them. It's hard for me to type out, I can explain myself better in speech, if that makes sense.)

    And that's fair. But it's always going to have that margin of error until it doesn't, it has been my actual, lived experience online that you can bet on an Atheist to be a complete dick to anyone even hinting to a supernatural belief. (Look at these comments.) You (generally speaking) don't get to go around being a giant dick to the "other team" like that with any margin of error.

    I genuinely feel that we aren't going to science ourselves into the Star Trek future. Corruptibility is Humanities Achilles Heel, and I don't see how we science our way out of that.

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  • I'm not here simping for religion, I promise. The concept of god can and does exist separately from religion.

    Yeah, I know horrific things have been done in the name of big G God, but those things were done by people. Not a god, or God, not spirituality. Allowing that to narrow your worldview to only things we can directly observe and quantify is leaving an entire realm of understanding on the table.

    I know where I am, I'm just wondering why other people are here.

    Imagine I created a community around my belief that flying pigs didn't exist and all the content was shitting on the people who did... What do I get out of that other than putting people down? It literally widens the division in the name of scoring meaningless points against "the other team."

    Religion isn't a cohesive group, and judging everyone who participates because certain sects are deplorable isn't very "enlightened."

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  • Spirituality, God, and Religion are all separate things. And if you have any research on when and why any of those concepts were created I'd love to read them.

    You have to understand that the problem here is bad people, not bad ideas.

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  • Edit: Misread your reply.

    I agree. It doesn't provide any proof. Speculater was asking for a definition of a spiritual explanation and I was just giving an example.

    Spiritual means different things to different people, and they're right, I think a lot of these kinds of discussions would go a lot better with some baseline definitions.

    That being said... Virtually 100% of the time, I'll go with scientific consensus. My entire argument is that we've swung pretty far into physical science when I think there's an entire realm of understanding that we're leaving generally untapped because we can't make a graph out of it (yet)

    Why? Because people do horrific shit in the name of god? People do horrific shit in the name of science, too.

    Atheists go on about proof of everything, yet any time I ask for proof that some type of "god" doesn't exist I get the burden of proof line.

    ...my position is that it's unknown. The burden of proof isn't on me.

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  • The Placebo Effect is, in my opinion, -is- the power of belief. (And I think it can do more than that, but that would mean going into my woowoo closet. We'll just leave it shut for now.)

    I know spirituality doesn't put people on the moon and it doesn't do much for the economy. (Worship on the other hand...oof.)

    Anyway. My point is the pendulum swung hard because religion as we know it fucking sucks, and there is more material value in science. But that doesn't mean spirituality is worthless.

    I think we're capable of more than what science alone can teach us.

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  • Thanks, I appreciate it ☺️

    Don't get me wrong. I side with science virtually 100% of the time, I just think there is understanding to be had in areas that we currently see as taboo.

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  • I love how saying ”Hey, maybe we don't know everything yet, and belittling people who have differing opinions is a dick move." gets downvotes in a supposedly science centric community.

    (And just to clarify, I'm replying to my own comment as a broad reply to others.)

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  • All of current science. We won't know what we don't know until we know everything.

    We still burn dinosaur juice that is slowly suffocating us, we poison our fresh water and turn our oceans into plastic hellscapes.

    How far in our evolution and understanding do you think we are?

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  • I'm not religious by any means, and I don't believe in some grand intelligence that supposedly created everything...

    That being said, "your" inability to accept that there very well could be spiritual explanations for things science has yet to figure out doesn't mean spirituality is make-believe.

    We are an incredibly young species. Thinking that our current scientific method and understanding is perfect just because it's the best we have is incredibly short sighted, which is holding us back.

    I know I'll get boo'd for this one, especially in this community. But if y'all think dunking on spiritualists makes your position stronger, you're wrong. It makes you look like a bunch of intolerant assholes.

  • A question for the Physics communities

    I think I need to rephrase the question. I'll post again in a few days.

    The replies so far have generally been very polite, given the subject. I was nervous about that. Thanks everyone!

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    ... Hear me out, okay?

    Back in 2000 I took my first solo, out of state trip, to meet an online friend. When I got off the bus, she greeted me, and let me know that we had to go stop by her friends house on the way back.

    She was Wiccan and needed some Spiritual guidance because the night before she saw a black portal open up in the corner of her room that was giving her really bad vibes.

    It wasn't my thing, but I never discounted it. Maybe it was real, and if nothing else it's just how her mind is rationalizing things.

    But I guess my question is: Does the Scientific Method rule out the possibility that a "real" portal appeared in her room?

    Taking wave function probability into account and the absense of data from the room, is it fair to say that the scientific method doesn't rule out the black portal being real?

    Looking for black and white answers if possible, but I'd also love to hear your reasoning~

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    Which character should I use in a Windows/Linux directory name to place it at the top of an alphabetically sorted list?

    Currently I'm using #, but it causes issues with certain applications.

    Example:

    #Top Folder Games Music New Folder Pics

    Currently using mostly Windows, but trying to transition to Linux, so a solution that works for both would be perfect.

    Thanks, Lemmy!

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    "as I walk my Goldenite" - Bing

    Weird prompt, I know. It's a reference to some misheard song lyrics.

    I liked the results, though!

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    The amazingly useful role of Why in self healing.

    This information is purposefully condensed. It's my goal to get my ideas out in the most clear, concise way possible.

    ...I'm still working on it, lol. Think of it as a list of "Bullet Paragraphs."

    That being said; Please try to take it at face value and let me know if it resonates with you.

    Would love to hear from anyone who disagrees, too!

    ---

    tl;dr

    Ask Why. Often. If you need to, start with answers you know. Be willing to admit when you get it wrong, Be willing to learn from it. Work on staying rational when emotions rise, While also giving them the space they deserve.

    Why is very helpful in relationships, too, Just be mindful of boundaries.

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    Why isn't a question, it's a path. It can be overgrown and hard to see sometimes, but as long as you remember to come back and check now and then, you'll always find it again. And whenever it feels like you've reached the end, there's probably a little more still ahead.

    Sometimes, you'll come to an answer that feels right, and later find out you're wrong. If you're able to admit it, you'll still learn from it. Be willing to update your worldview, or maybe just your place in it.

    If you don't know where where to start or what to ask, just start with going through the Why that you already know. Journaling is a huge help with this part, but just mentally working through it is great, too.

    You might ask something like "Why do I get sad so quickly?" or "Why do I feel lonely?" Keep going until it feels like time to stop, or when you get stuck. Set it down for now, so you can come back later.

    If you are able to rationalize and accept why things happened while accepting and feeling the emotional pain when it rises, you can work to heal wounds while staying more emotionally regulated.

    The trick here is learning to give the pain the space it deserves, while leaving your rational mind in control to "sort the baggage." It may be difficult at first, but it comes with practice.

    Why is amazing when aimed inward, but it can be just as helpful aimed outward: When those close to you are struggling, trying to really understand Why can be a great help to them and may strengthen the relationship as long as boundaries are respected.

    This can be applied to many other mental health related situations, too, not just trauma.

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    Tom Cattt - Yes Love

    This is my jam 😎

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    A guide to claiming, or reclaiming your autonomy and using it to heal

    [Disclaimer: I am not a licened anything, except a class D Driver, and definitelty not a mental health professional.

    The information below involves a theory that could be considered "Brainhacking."

    It's a very powerful tool and should be used with informed intent. If you're able, using this method with the advice of a licenced therapist is highly recommended.

    If you are not able to do that, you can and should teach yourself about mental emotional health as you engage with this theory, and be willing to update your beliefs.

    Self help is popular at the moment and there are a lot of free resources out there. Social media can actually be really helpful with this, but you have to vet your sources.

    I can't tell you how to vet, because I don't know. I'm self taught. I can give some recommendations, though, if anyone asks.

    The more you learn, the more BS you'll be able to smell.

    Just dig.]

    With that said... It's possible to build your sense of autonomy by building up your ability to make informed, intentional decisions.

    Most people already do this, I know.

    This is about how to build it from scratch if you need to, or strengthen what you already have.

    If you share this information anywhere, I ask that you share it in it's entirety. Full context is very important.

    And lastly; This is a first draft. Feedback and constructive criticism is encouraged.

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    This guide came out of a reply to a comment on my post about Doomer Nihilists.

    The post: https://lemmy.world/post/14522935

    Which I also posted here: https://lemmy.world/post/14522932

    The comment: >I hope you're never able to understand. Depression changes not just how you feel but the ways you can feel. The people you're frustrated with literally can't be positive in the same way you can.

    ---

    My reply:

    I'm certain that I won't.

    That being said... I've been suffering from Chronic Depression from the age of 12. I'm in my 40's now.

    I'll spare you the life story, but after a particularly turbulent ~4 years between 2016 and 2020 (completely unrelated to politics, oddly enough given the range.), I "Woke up" and started to examine the world around me as if I was new here.

    During the pandemic, I began to realize that I had to understand the division and rise of authoritarianism going on in the world right now to get over pretty severe cognitive dissonance. It led me to realizing how someone can live in their own reality bubble, and understanding how that bubble gets created.

    When you can present someone a black and white fact, and they deny or evade, at a base level in their mind, it is a conscious choice. A choice between evade, deny, and accept. The part of your brain that makes that choice is essentially a root level decision maker.

    By utilizing that same part of the mind purposefully and rationally, you can greatly increase your sense of autononomy.

    In the context of depression...

    Taking back your autonomy aside from but along with healing your depression is possible.

    It seems impossible because the depression is taking so much of your mental energy, you haven't been able to really use this part of your mind, and it has likely atrophied.

    As you build it back up it will help you take more purposeful steps toward healing.

    And to your last statement... Yeah... you can. I promise. Not instantly, but incrementally. It literally starts with making one decision. One decision over and over until it sticks. After that you move on to the next, and the next, and so on.

    If you still think it's impossible, ask yourself this question and be honest with the answer:

    "Am I ready to heal -yet?-"

    If the answer is no, nothing can help. You gotta flip that switch. -You- gotta figure that one out.

    It never fully heals, and it may wax and wane, but better is possible.

    --- [My reply ends there, but I will continue here with the hypothetical question...]

    "Okaysohowthefuckamisupposedtodothis??" ---

    You have two separate and distinct minds in your head.

    [CGP Grey - You Are Two] ~5m

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfYbgdo8e-8

    And you can learn to use them separately.

    This is one place where it's different for everyone. I imagine it will be easier for some and harder for others, but I'll do my best to get it started:

    If you've ever had a gut feeling or heard you conscious, that's your left brain. It's the logical voice on your shoulder when a devil's on the other.

    Start using that side of your brain to make decisions. Maybe purposefully choose to do something outside your routine or comfort zone. Small things first, like choosing a different flavor, or making a different turn. Use those to identify and and "isolate" your left brain's decision maker and start practicing.

    It is a mental muscle. Very useful in mental gymnastics. ;P

    It takes time and effort, but as it grows so does your willpower. And once it gets going it slowly starts to feed itself, and you can work more on keeping momentem rather than building it.

    A couple notes:

    Sometimes your left brain can be a cynical asshole, so your right brain has to step in and say "Okay listen up motherfucker. You and I both know damn good and well that this cynical take is bullshit." Or vice versa. Pay attention to and foster that.

    Also, if you wanted to, you could even let each half believe in opposing ideas, as long as the rational side gets at least 51%. This is how I hold all of my spiritual beliefs.

    --- "Will doing this fully heal my depression?" ---

    No. Nothing can do that. The depression will never be gone, but with the right understanding to make the right decisions, this will help you to process most of, if not all of what can be healed.

    You will have to feel all of your pain before it's gone, and that part is probably gonna suck.

    When you are able; sit with your pain. Understand it, hold it, and when you're ready or when you need to, set it down. It will come back later, where you'll go through this process again.

    On that topic; Journaling is a great way to process, as well. Most people seem to get the the best results by physically journaling with pen and paper. I feel like typing on a physical, mechanical keyboard works best for me. (But my phone works in a pinch, too!)

    Talking to someone is great, too, but talking about emotional issues too often can possibly do more harm then good. Pay attention to how you feel after to know if it's helpful. Ex.: "Do I feel more relieved or more anxious?" Identify the feelings.

    There are tons: Creating Art, Exercise, Being Outdoors, and so on. You'll have to find what works for you. Just don't be afraid to feel understand the pain as you do it. Sometimes you might even try to feel it intentionally. But always remember; When you're done, set it down and let it come back later.

    ---

    If all of -this- seems impossible to you: Did you evade or deny? What would change if you accepted it?

    ---

    Uhm... That's it, in a nutshell. This was kinda spur of the moment, and I have plans to write more of the "How" out in greater detail, at some point. But for now... Thank you for coming to my TedTalk?

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    In need of advice/perspective

    tl;dr: My partner refuses to meet agreed upon cleaning goals and it's causing significant relationship issues. She's never blamed her ADHD, but I know it's a factor.

    Is my ask (that she clean one uncommonly cleaned "chunk' of the house each week) unreasonable? Or rather, is my reaction to her not clearing this (very low, in my opinion) bar unwarranted?

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    My partner and I are both women, both diagnosed with ADHD.

    She doesn't work due to anxiety, so I have to support us financially 100%, but she agreed early in our relationship (long before either of us had been diagnosed) that she'd take care of the housekeeping. She does some, but our house has never felt "clean" or "tidy" to me.

    I lost my job during covid, and was lucky enough to get on the unemployment train for a while which was a blessing because I was battling severe burnout.

    As our savings neared depletion, the thought of re-entering the workforce was causing me massive depression, and when I was all but ready to just give up on everything, I asked her for help.

    Just a part time job, or work from home, or anything to generate income to take the weight off my shoulders so I could try to develop some entry level coding skills and get a job I could be proud of.

    She agreed, filled out a resume and browsed some job boards... and nothing came of it.

    After a while, I asked her to at least sell a box of old Amiibos on ebay. Once again, she agreed and didn't follow through.

    As the savings dried up, I was forced to get a shitty job that's (still) just barely paying the bills.

    After a few weeks of working again, I brought up the cleaning thing in an argument. I mentioned how she agreed to but never helped out financially, so I quantified the cleaning and set a (very low) bar for her to cross. She told me it was reasonable and it would get done.

    3 years later and she has yet to clear the bar and our relationship is only being held together by a few thin strands of codependency.

    The bar: On top of her baseline (Dishes, laundry, kitchen, living room, bathroom, and meals 4 nights a week, typically frozen pizza or something else from the freezer section, give or take), I asked her to take on a "Project" once a week. Something in the house that's rarely cleaned, which roughly requires the effort it takes to clean and organize our small 2ft by 2ft pantry. So like an hour or so.

    It's not happening.

    She throws excuses at me left and right, but she's never blamed the ADHD. I've considered it though...

    So what I'm coming here to ask... I know you don't know her specific case (we are both at mild to moderate ADHD), but does my request sound unreasonable? Should I try to be more understanding?

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    Anyone else looking forward to Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes?
    store.steampowered.com Pre-purchase Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes on Steam

    Eiyuden Chronicles: Hundred Heroes is designed to bring players a modern take on a classic JRPG experience. Get ready to lead 100+ playable characters through a war-torn world only you can save.

    Pre-purchase Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes on Steam

    Very hyped for this one. It's a spiritual successor to the Suikoden series (PS1/PS2), of which the second game is my all time favorite RPG.

    Anyone else?

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    Help installing PHP on Ubuntu (Solved. Thank you!)

    (I'm currently using Firefox 124.01 on Ubuntu 22.04.03 LTS) (My formatting is also givinge problems... I want to eat my own eyeballs out right now...)

    I'm very new to Linux, and trying to get PHP installed, but it won't render anything...

    Following this guide (https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/programming-php), I started with: sudo apt update sudo apt install apache2

    Test Page Success!

    So I continue with: sudo apt install php libapache2-mod-php sudo apt install php-mysql sudo apt install php-cgi

    Then: sudo systemctl restart apache2.service

    I write the following in /var/www/html/index.php:

    ``` <?php

    phpinfo();

    Test Text1

    ?>

    Test Text2 ```

    I see "Test Text2" and nothing else. I see my PHP tags and their contents upon source inspection.

    Then I perform the following: apt list --installed | grep php sudo apt purge php apt list --installed | grep php (0 Results)

    And try again: ``` sudo apt install php libapache2-mod-php sudo apt install php-mysql sudo apt install php-cgi

    sudo systemctl restart apache2.service ```

    No luck... Any ideas what's going on?

    A little additional info: ~$ which php /usr/bin/php

    ~$ php -v PHP 8.1.2-1ubuntu2.14 (cli) (built: Aug 18 2023 11:41:11) (NTS) Copyright (c) The PHP Group Zend Engine v4.1.2, Copyright (c) Zend Technologies with Zend OPcache v8.1.2-1ubuntu2.14, Copyright (c), by Zend Technologies ``` ~$ apt list --installed | grep php

    WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.

    libapache2-mod-php8.1/jammy-updates,jammy-security,now 8.1.2-1ubuntu2.14 amd64 [installed,automatic] libapache2-mod-php/jammy,jammy,now 2:8.1+92ubuntu1 all [installed] php-common/jammy,jammy,now 2:92ubuntu1 all [installed,automatic] php-mysql/jammy,jammy,now 2:8.1+92ubuntu1 all [installed] php8.1-cli/jammy-updates,jammy-security,now 8.1.2-1ubuntu2.14 amd64 [installed,automatic] php8.1-common/jammy-updates,jammy-security,now 8.1.2-1ubuntu2.14 amd64 [installed,automatic] php8.1-mysql/jammy-updates,jammy-security,now 8.1.2-1ubuntu2.14 amd64 [installed,automatic] php8.1-opcache/jammy-updates,jammy-security,now 8.1.2-1ubuntu2.14 amd64 [installed,automatic] php8.1-readline/jammy-updates,jammy-security,now 8.1.2-1ubuntu2.14 amd64 [installed,automatic] php8.1/jammy-updates,jammy-updates,jammy-security,jammy-security,now 8.1.2-1ubuntu2.14 all [installed,automatic] php/jammy,jammy,now 2:8.1+92ubuntu1 all [installed] ```

    /etc/apache2/mods-enabled$ ls access_compat.load authz_core.load deflate.load mime.load php8.1.load status.load alias.conf authz_host.load dir.conf mpm_prefork.conf reqtimeout.conf alias.load authz_user.load dir.load mpm_prefork.load reqtimeout.load auth_basic.load autoindex.conf env.load negotiation.conf setenvif.conf authn_core.load autoindex.load filter.load negotiation.load setenvif.load authn_file.load deflate.conf mime.conf php8.1.conf status.conf

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    I feel like I just can't win...

    I'm feeling a lot of feelings and need to vent, so my apologies if this ends up being a little scatterbrained.

    I'm a security guard in a purple city/red state, and I'm working an event tonight at a church. 3 hours into my shift, I've accepted that I'll have to go to the bathroom at some point.

    I'm tall (over 6ft/180cm), over weight, bad hairline, and the only obviously feminine shape I have is boobs (which are squished into a sports bra and not very visible).

    Package all this in a polo shirt and black cargo pants... I've gotten "maam'd" -twice- in the 1.5 years I've been working this job.

    So, after 3 hours of deliberating, I decided to trade some of my dignity for safety and just use the mens room. I'd already been misgendered, so I felt it was the best option...

    I go into the mens room, take care of business (in a stall), and as I'm washing my hands, this guy comes in, sees me and says "am I in the wrong place??" as he walks back out to check the sign on the door. I told him no, I don't think so and just got the fuck out as fast as possible.

    There was no confrontation and I didn't feel unsafe, though now I'm worried about a complaint (which I was also trying to avoid), and now I'm too nervous to use either one next time I have to pee... I can't win. And I feel like my spent dignity got me nothing but frustration and a possible complaint.

    I won't lie, there was some validation in the whole thing, but it was tainted by the frustration of feeling like there's no place in the world for me and the desire to just hide myself away from it all...

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    A question about debating.

    If two people agree to a debate, but one of them participates in bad faith, and spends the majority of the time talking over the other, sidestepping virtually every point their counterpart makes, blatantly lies, employs personal insults and frequently airs irrelevant grievances, is it still considered a debate?

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