Trans megathread for the week of September 30th, 2024 to October 6th, 2024 - Sacred Echoes posting!
Trans megathread for the week of September 30th, 2024 to October 6th, 2024 - Sacred Echoes posting!
When I decided to host the mega again a bit ago, I had no idea what to make it about (of course). So it fell between two topics: a post on the importance of sleep, or a post on just how much I love Fire Emblem: The Sacred Echoes. Well, I felt like the importance of sleep was well-known, and could always wait for the next time I host a mega. I wanted to make sure I hit the Sacred Echoes iron while it's hot, because I've almost finished my play through at this point, and it might genuinely be one of the best games I have ever played.
Sacred Echoes feels so polished, considering it's a fan-made romhack of Sacred Stones, with the goal of bringing the 3DS game, Shadows of Valentia (SoV), to the GBA. Everything about the game aesthetically is very well-done, from the portraits, to the battle sprites, and literally anything else that could be thought of about a game. This includes new character writing, which helps the game in areas where Shadows of Valentia was a little, well, off. That's what I want to go over first, and although I've made a post before, I had only played a little bit of the game. Being at the end, I've noticed more things, and grown to appreciate this game even more than I already did.
Let's start off with the relevant (and interesting) bits: Sacred Echoes actually does a really good job at representing a variety of backgrounds, while also being diverse in a way that doesn't feel like it's simply to have a token character. This game doesn't suffer from the cracker curse, for example. Although most of the characters are white, there is more than one person of color (
) . In terms of LGBTQ+ representation, it's even better. There are many gay/lesbian characters, whose sexuality actually plays a role in the plot and how they interact with others. There's also an aroace character, Lukas, who goes through a whole arc of self-discovery in his support conversations (support Python). It's good stuff, and not things I would normally expect from a Fire Emblem game. I hesitate to bring up the (possibly) only trans character in the game, Jesse. HOLD ON, NO HESITATION AT ALL! I just decided to do more research, and I wasn't just projecting. He is 100% trans, and it's in supports, and it's relevant to his plot and backstory, so it's just like the rest of them, thank goodness, I was worried he was a token. So yeah, support Clive and Jesse. Good stuff, and good luck getting to the end of the game so they can actually meet, one fights for Alm and the other for Celica...
This is Jesse
Here's some dialogue between Clive and Jesse, in the context of a will:
Clive: Only the following will be yours - your mother's wardrobe, her jewelry box, and all corresponding contents.
Jesse: Urgh. Even from halfway in the grave he's trying to tell me what to wear. So yeah, he's still the same tyrant he always was. Hasn't changed a bit.
In terms of character background, it's more diverse than one would think, and it addresses the issue of feudal class. Not all of the characters are nobles, and one of the main characters is a commoner from a random village. The plot regularly deals with the fact that nobles and commoners do not get along. However, it does not try to redeem most nobles. If they aren't proving themselves with their actions, they're probably shitty. Even if they are supposedly "one of the good ones", there's usually some underlying prejudice that comes out when you might not expect it. I love it so much, and I am extremely impressed that the plot doesn't try to redeem nobility as a whole, but rather allows the noble characters within the cast to have character development that feels less like justification and more like re-education.
Pictured is the class traitor Lukas absolutely destroying Fernand
For other details about the story, I'll link my original post. I don't want to drag this on too long, and I mention most of the improvements there. It also includes where to find the patch for the game, and how to play the game for yourself. If you enjoy SRPGs, or are new to the genre, I recommend this game. It has an easy mode for the newbies, and hard mode for those of us who hate ourselves (/s), and a normal mode for everything in-between 
The Echoes cast is amazing, and I love how they interact with each other and the world. Each character stands out, and they feel unique in their relationships with the other characters. Even characters that suffer in SoV, like Faye and the Masked Knight (has a name but it's spoilers), benefit from the Sacred Echoes writing, making them actually enjoyable characters. The villains of the game are also great. I don't want to go too deep, because I don't want to spoil too much, but they aren't just pure evil, and for that I applaud the SoV writers. Berkut is probably the highlight of the game, being the heir to the throne of the empire. I am once again asking you to play the game, because IT IS SO GREAT, and I would not have expected these good of villains to pair with Alm and Celica, as well as their armies.
Pictured is the Masked Knight being a gay little guy. The other guy (Saber) is threatening his life...
Everything about the game design is also amazing. It's GBA Fire Emblem, so the animations are peak and the pixel art is stellar. The maps are improved from the original SoV maps, and they are definetly much better, and much less repetitive. Classes in the game are fun in how they work, each character being able to promote 2-3 times. Mages also work really uniquely and well in this game, with spells costing HP to cast. They learn spells as they level up, rather than by purchasing tomes, which makes for (in my opinion), better gameplay. Sacred Echoes also adds the GBA weapon and magic triangles!
All in all, Sacred Echoes is a great game, and even if you never ending up playing it, you now know of its existence. It stands out as a great romhack, as well as a great Fire Emblem game, AND it has the gay. Can it really get better than that?
If you want my original (and more in-depth) analysis, check out my original post. It's mostly about what Sacred Echoes improves upon the original Shadows of Valentia.
Hope you enjoyed my little nerd-out session, and have a good week everyone! 
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chat, i'll be doing another trans survey soon, though this time it will be much more in detail and hosted on cryptpad (for security) and anonymous. do you have any questions you're dying to ask your little trans friends here?
at what age did you realize you might be trans, and how long did it take to accept it?
I knew something was different about me when I was a kid, so between 6-8 didn't know what it was, hit puberty and realised, when I was about 12. I also watched a movie that also clued me in that there may have been people like me then. And then spent probably another 15-20 years in kind of limbo knowing but not doing anything about it.
i am curious as to which movie if you dont mind sharing?
the crying game
ah interesting, i have heard about it, not seen it though, thanks for sharing
Pretty similar to my story except I figured it out at 15 and took closer to a decade to do anything about it. I knew I didn’t want puberty and didn’t like what was happening and wished it would stop, but I didn’t have any kind of framework or reference to understand what I was feeling. My experience with a trans movie as a kid was ace ventura, which didn’t exactly do a good job of explaining things
I kind of enjoyed puberty, like my body revealed more that I wasn't cis.. like I started to grow boobs and more of an hourglass figure. But that brought it's own issues with trying to hide it somewhat in school and such though cis people are blind to things and it wasn't that hard to just hide the boobs and my form, um it was all pre internet too so like nobody had any idea of anything bar cis normativity. I'd be bullied pretty hard for looking queer and for looking like I wore makeup, I didn't think about anything role related to gender as I am agender lol so it kind of just was like I don't fit with what I knew of like "boys and girls" I was a mix of both.. and that kind of made things a bit weird but also I just wanted to understand and find others like me but had no way to do so. I had no friends, never knew any queer people. I would get bullied at school, go home and usually have some form of abuse at home too.
was ace ventura
Yeah that was a parody of the crying game.. so like I also seen both movies back then and it set me back quite a bit along with seeing transphobia and such so it wasn't exactly a great time. I kind of had an idea from then and basically tried to find more people like me but I didn't have access to much and so a lot was paying attention to tv and news and such to see if anything or anyone else showed up, it was more way later that I started to understand the exact names and build up a clearer picture exactly what/who I was. But I kind of knew what I was just had no names or terminology to go from
Yeah I remember I didn’t really understand the difference between being intersex and being trans (actually, the first time I saw trans women in porn, I remember thinking “huh, I guess some women are just born like that”. And as it turns out…) like I had this vague awareness that intersex people and cross-dressers were a thing, but I wasn’t intersex (as far as I know) and the idea of being a guy who cross-dresses didn’t appeal to me, plus I thought I wouldn’t look good in it (the “I will never pass” brainworms got to me as a fucking 8 year old —.— ). But the idea of being trans, that you could actually choose your gender and take hormones to change your body and stuff, wasn’t something I was aware of. I actually remember being kind of surprised when I started puberty because I had such a strong conviction that I wasn’t like the other boys that I just assumed puberty wouldn’t affect me somehow. Like, I knew better, but I was still disappointed when it happened.
When I saw ace ventura I thought the trans character was just wearing a disguise, like a scooby-doo villain
Yeah I remember I didn’t really understand the difference between being intersex and being trans
Mhm that's pretty much how it was for me, I knew something was up with me then seeing the trans character in the crying game I was like oh they're like me then, and it took more knowledge to eventually understand which took time. I knew about cross-dressing from tv probably too and I watched music videos a ton there were queers all over music in the 80s and you'd see a lot during the 90s too, plus talk shows and shit anything I would catch some kind of different presentation I found it fascinating, and internally I was just slowly building my understanding.
When I saw ace ventura I thought the trans character was just wearing a disguise, like a scooby-doo villain
lol when I seen it I was just reminded of the crying game and then I was upset and angry at it being used as shock value and all that again, more of this shit is what I thought. And then having family pointing out how fucked up it is etc it's like sitting there hearing their transphobic shit it really made me angry but I had a lot of other reasons to hate my family by that point.
at what age did you realize you might be? what do you mean "realize you might be"? like when the thought first floated through your head or?
good question. I guess personally I'm more interested in when people first started to seriously consider being trans. thinking back, even before I learned about the existence of trans people, there were multiple moments over my life where I felt like I was the opposite gender, but I didn't know what to do with that, so I just ignored it, so I think that would be harder for people to accurately pinpoint.
I'd be curious to see both "At what age did you first realize you didn't identify with your AGAB or would prefer being a gender other than the one assigned by others?" and "At what age did you realize you are likely trans?" next to each other to see how much of a gap there is for people.
For me there was like 5 years between "i wouldnt mind being a girl" and "i really wish i was a girl", and then another decade and change before "oh shit i think i might be trans" and then another few years before coming out.
For me it was 5 and 15 respectively, so quite a gap
huh. honestly there was only like a two-three month period of my life when i thought "hey i might be trans" and realizing "oh shit"
then again, i do distinctly remember vocally complaining my distaste for being a cis man as early as 14
yeah, for me the gap between "I might be trans?" to "I guess I'm trans ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" was only a couple months. but for a year prior to that the way I thought of it was like "I kind of like thinking of myself as a woman, but I'm not really interested in actually transitioning", and in the ~12 years before that were when I had those random moments of feeling feminine (and felt dysphoria when there was pressure to be masculine) but didn't know how to process it.
I hate how it's all complicated by the stigma around questioning yourself to begin with. I feel like even if I never ever learned that transgenderism was a thing, even if it somehow didn't exist in society, I could have figured it out sooner if there wasn't strong social pressure to conform to AGAB.
lmao if there weren't already a ton of trans people around me IRL I never would have figured it out, I would have just stewed in the dysphoria forever
Wish I had more trans people around me when I was younger. I had one friend in high school who eventually came out and immediately moved across the country to get away from Texas. Didn't know any until around the time I started questioning. But that timing was annoying because we didn't have the type of relationship where I actually talked with him or hung out with him... but I worried my mom would blame him if I came out and just assume I was impressionable...
yeah, for me the gap between “I might be trans?” to “I guess I’m trans ¯_(ツ)_/¯” was only a couple months.
For me, I think it was like a 2-day "I might be agender, but idk about trans", then like 1-2 weeks of "I think I'm agender, but idk about trans, to "oh...".
but for a year prior to that the way I thought of it was like “I kind of like thinking of myself as a woman, but I’m not really interested in ?>actually transitioning”, and in the ~12 years before that were when I had those random moments of feeling feminine (and felt dysphoria >when there was pressure to be masculine) but didn’t know how to process it.
I hate how it’s all complicated by the stigma around questioning yourself to begin with. I feel like even if I never ever learned that transgenderism was a thing, even if it somehow didn’t exist in society, I could have figured it out sooner if there wasn’t strong social pressure to conform to AGAB.
Weirdly, I also think part of the reason why I took so long to realize was because of growing up in a household that didn't enforce gender conformity at home and my mom is gender nonconforming and frequently gendered as a male. So gender always just seemed like made up nonsense that didn't matter (at least as long as you were lucky enough to be born a girl... always was jealous that tomboys could just exist for the most part, but there wasn't a socially approved counterpart for boys). Given what little I knew about trans people (the "I've always known I was a woman/man" narrative), I assumed that meant I couldn't be since "man" and "woman" just seemed to BS.
Of course, I also did mask outside the household because of social pressures and that eventually poisoned my mind. Wish society was a lot more open to anyone doing things like changing presentation, pronouns, hormones, body parts, etc, rather than it only being seen as a trans thing. So I also agree with you.
I am curious about a couple of intersectional things about neurodivergence/a-spec identities, just simple things ig like "Would you classify yourself as 'neurodivergent'?' and 'are you a-spec' etc.
Not sure if that's appropriate for a survey like this, though
I feel like it would be a landslide because neurodivergent is kinda vague. Like, is anxiety/depression neurodivergent? If so pretty much every trans person is without doubt
Like, is anxiety/depression neurodivergent?
Having an anxiety disorder can be classed as a neurodivergence. Depression isn't classed as such though there are co-morbidities.
I mean I dont know if its too personal and such, but I was more thinking about things like autism/ADHD specifically since that overlap is a curiosity of mine thats AFAIK not very well studied? (I heard a number like 30% of gender-non-conforming people somewhere meet criteria for autism, so am always curious)
But like no pressure of course
There is a high number for all lgbt+ people but I don't have the figures. Also not sure if the studies break down acespec specifically either.
link That's for autism but there are high figures for other neurodiverse people which include adhd also
Wow, that study is endlessly fascinating. I do have some spicy thoughts about some of their methodology, but even if so it seems that professionally diagnosed autistic people are like 6 tines as likely to self-identify as trans. Since they tried to exclude self-diagnosis (by asking for info on who diagnosed them), and because of the existence of "trans broken arm syndrome," my question is how many people come to consider themselves trans first and never discover the autism (me for many many years)?
This is an in general question I have all the time since like 1. I thought all my problems were caused by being trans/dysphoria/depression/anxiety and 2. I was passed over because when I got diagnosed with ADHD as an adult, AuDHD was not a thing, thats's a much more recent discovery, apparently. I uh even asked the psyc about it "I meet the criteria for Asperger's actually..." And he chuckled and went "no you're not." Set me back ten years lmao
I'm shocked that only 10% of people would classify themselves as asexual, but its possible that since this was in 2021 that its due to lack of awareness of what it is (thats what happened for me, at least). Also, if I'm demi, would I put "asexual" or "other"?
Since they tried to exclude self-diagnosis
the existence of "trans broken arm syndrome,"
due to lack of awareness of what it is
Gonna be some real full re-education camps, the way all these "medical professionals" get on...
how many people come to consider themselves trans first and never discover the autism
If not for my wife I probably would never have looked into it or done 3 years research into it lol. But I know that there are a large amount of self diagnosed neurodivergent people. I would also add to that there is a very good possibility that a fair few trans people also don't suspect either though it is something some may suspect but not look into it in a serious fashion.
even asked the psyc about it "I meet the criteria for Asperger's actually..." And he chuckled and went "no you're not."
Many such cases unfortunately. It is incredibly hard to be taken seriously as an adult.
due to lack of awareness of what it is. Also, if I'm demi, would I put "asexual" or "other"?
It is a general lack of knowledge and could also have some who don't know they are Ace. Demi is a sexual orientation on the asexual spectrum so asexual.
Yep, I only looked into it again due to ND therapist too, many many such cases...
It is a general lack of knowledge and could also have some who don't know they are Ace. Demi is a sexual orientation on the asexual spectrum so asexual.
Fascinating, I am once again surprised that so few people identify. I think Ash had the right idea, lol
I am once again surprised that so few people identify. I think Ash had the right idea, lol
Theres also a lot of stigma and phobia around being ace, lots of misunderstanding and fear of being ace. So I wouldn't be surpised if some of that occured too.
I uh even asked the psyc about it "I meet the criteria for Asperger's actually..." And he chuckled and went "no you're not."
Same experience for me. I mask too well I guess, "understand social norms" :agony-shivering:
I've heard it's quite common for people in our position to get told that because we're able to talk, or make eye contact, or that we're not male, that we can't be autistic. It's frustrating, and part of why I haven't been too keen on official diagnosis.
Is it the general gender identity survey again, or a trans specific one? If it's the general, I'd like to see an identity over time question (how did you identify before / how do you now), and to separate cis-by-default and cis-because-they-feel-it. I think a lot of people will want to know how common their journey is. Personally I went from cis-by-default to cis-because-internal-feelings and want to know how common that is.
general gender identity survey again
im not really following, if you could write that out as like a multiple choice question, could you?
Yeah, but my sleep meds just kicked in. Pester me if I forget to get back to you.
Okay so there's a few ways to phrase it, but one way is a set of questions like:
Which best describes how you felt about your gender when [you were in your teens, you were in your 20s, you were in your 30s, etc]
- cisgender (by default)
- cisgender (because you internally felt it)
- nonbinary
- trans
- agender
- etc (I'm sure you have a better list than me)
- this question assumes I'm heckin' old lol
This seems like it'd be a lot of questions its a good idea though for a follow up survey.
Issue is I already got like 15 questions I'm just looking to pad out a few I may have overlooked 🤔
I'd like to see a question about how strong people's conceptions of gender are. Like, are certain actions and appearances more "masculine" or "feminine" to people?
Might have to be a separate thing sounds like a lot of questions
thats fair, no worries if it cant make it into the survey
If it can't fit into the survey, could still be good discussion questions if you had anything specific in mind.
I don't have anything specific, I'm just curious what people's idea of masc and femme are, and if they're separate, if they feel comfortable associating with one conception and uncomfortable with another. I don't really have any conception of gender, I literally just don't think about it and never have, so I'm curious what other queer people think
damn I'm curious now too
Did Hexbear crack your egg?
did r/cth break your egg?
could also be an option for like the three oldheads still around
R/cth wasn't strong enough for me. It took the strength of the bear
And, yes, of course, the influence of momma kristina
Yes.
would they love me if i was a worm? would they love themselves?
thing