Move to defederate *.ml, hexbear, lemmygrad, etc.
Move to defederate *.ml, hexbear, lemmygrad, etc.
I believe lemmy.world and other instances should start defederating lemmy.ml and other “tankie” instances.
Many users have blocked these instances for extreme political content already.
Please suggest any changes.
EDIT: ok ok ok, I understand this is a stupid idea, how about a default ban list banning lemmy.ml
You can block Lemmy instances in your settings. You have the tools to solve the problem, use them.
If users can individually block these instances, what is the benefit of defense rating from them?
Degenerating. Defenestrating. DEFEDERATING!
@#%! autocorrect
Hexbear has a furry community I participate in.
You are free to block communities or even whole instances if you want.
I don’t particularly care for the anti-western hegemony, anti-capitalist, attitudes from a minority of users there that can’t help themselves but make every post political but i still enjoy the content from the rest.
The health of the network depends on being able to have a lot of different viewpoints and servers federated which each other. It’s better for users to block content and users that are bothersome to them than admins to defederate for political reasons (harassment, legal and liability issues of course are reasonable still)
I agree here. I would like the power to be with the individual. let us block at all levels, by keyword, etc. Let me subscribe to anything as well including other folks block lists.
I think there should be a default blocklist and defeds should be saved for illegal shit
if I want to see an instance I should be able to
Even if you block an instance, you still see comments from that instance and the instance can also still influence your feed via voting. Which means propaganda or what's worse can still be pushed to people's feeds.
Just keep that in mind - defederation is a more effective tool, but obviously it should be used with care.
You can cross off lemmygrad and hexbear. Those are defederated already.
It's just lemmy.ml we have to talk about.
The existence of a list of linked, and a list of blocked, implies three, possibly four independent states of “instance relationship”.
Can someone who understands it deeply please explain to me? What is the relationship between a “linked” instance and a “blocked” instance, and how does that relate to “defederated”?
Does federation require active configuration from one instance to another? Or is federated the default relationship when no config data exists?
Instance Target gets linked when someone from instance Source subscribes to a community of Target
Defederating = blocking in this context, defederated instances show up in the blocked instance list
Fucking hell there's a lot of pedophile instances.
I've had a look at it and it's not as bad as it looks. Lot's of websites on that list aren't around anymore. Others are anime or hentai stuff which might be questionable at times. So from reading the list I thought the fediverse is full of nazis, extremists, trolls and loli pictures. But when doing the research it's just a minority. Those pedos exist, though. But the blocking works.
I dig through a bunch and have no idea what you’re talking about… I didn’t see anything.
Why is this Mastadon instance blocked?
https://social.mechanizedarmadillo.com/
Seems like a random account with nothing controversial.
I think you're looking at the wrong list. That page contains both the allowed and the blocked instances. The one you mentioned is allowed.
That’s good, although I do want to crosspost to other instances like .zip
EDIT: nonono, i mean this post to block bad instances
I’ll add to hendrik’s sibling post … it seems you’re relatively new to the fediverse. You may want to get a feel for the place before advocating for such wide reaching actions.
I’m all for expressing your feelings on an issue, but I do wonder if your eagerness is a bit premature. I myself “called for” defederation early in my time on the fediverse … and it was dumb of me.
Since then I’ve come to view most arguments around the idea of defederation suspiciously. There’s usually a bit of personal drama or a shallow opinion or people who want to loudly voice opinions without wanting to put work into making this place better. Usually, if defederation is actually needed, the admins will know before you do and it will be obvious.
All that being said … I’d ask you … what do you think federation and decentralisation is for?
I doubt you'll find many instance admins who aren't already aware of this. But that doesn't mean you can't be vocal about what you think should be fixed.
But maybe you should have a quick look at the instance list before posting. As I said 2/3 or your proposal are already done on lots of instances. And lemmy.ml is just difficult. There are still a lot of big/important communities there (and users) which we haven't yet replaced.
It’s called a federation. Its design is intended to give people options. To provide a diverse network of content that people can navigate as they see fit.
The internet can naturally do a bad job of facilitating good and robust conversations.
Federation is the only cure I’ve seen for social media … where separate but connected and navigable spaces can co-exist, enabling a discourse through contrasting biases and perspectives, for those willing to use the content that way.
Can’t stand a community or instance? Don’t subscribe. Or unsubscribe or block.
Instance defederation is an extreme action and requires extreme justification IMO. It reduces the size of the network and the value of the ecosystem. Especially for lemmy world’s size … it has a responsibility to support the network.
What some loud people find unacceptable is likely interesting to some quiet others.
Differing political “sides” or perspectives isn’t enough. Politics isn’t everything for everyone. Moreover, it’s exactly the domain in which a diverse array of content is most valuable and important … because no one has all the answers!
Can’t stand a community or instance? Don’t subscribe. Or unsubscribe or block.
I agree that defederations should not be done lightly, but I just want to point out that "just block" is not a foolproof strategy. An instance block on Lemmy functions like blocking all communities, so you will still see comments from that instance on other posts. Also, the blocked instance will still influence your feed via their votes.
it has a responsibility to support the network
Well, on the other hand it also has a responsibility to provide a reasonably well-moderated space that doesn't include bigots or what's worse.
To be clear, I am not advocating for or against defederation of lemmy.ml, just want to add some nuance to this.
just want to add some nuance to this.
All good and cheers!
bruh we've had this petty "conversation" for ages, can we just grow up and move on
Why not just call out their tankie bullshit? It's fun, entertaining, and rewarding.
Is this defederation bullshit going to be the next post that every newbie makes? You can do it yourself -- don't tell me what to do.
even easier is posting this
I got a two week instance ban on .ml for calling out their tankie bullshit. No respectable instance should federate with them unless they replace their admins, at the very least.
Because they just ban you and delete the post. There is no way to call them out if you're unable to respond to their tankie bullshit.
1000% agree that is exactly what happens. These hexbear snowflakes are terrible.
Good luck defederating from lemmy.ml and losing, among others
There are alternatives that we've been trying to push (see the few posts on !fedigrow@lemm.ee ):
But network effect is still around.
Blocking seems enough for most people.
I agree with the hex bear removal. The people and subs are just poison.
just this is needed
I've been in support of defederating from .ml for months. Their shit is spilling into all the other instances.
How do you block an instance from the browser version of lemmy?
Go to settings > blocks and there should be a instance block there
Hey, thanks.
I'll share this with the lemmy.world admins, but I believe hexbear at a minimum is already defederated. .ml is not. Not sure on lemmygrad.
Hex bear and Leningrad are both defederated. Just lemmy.ml isn't which I have blocked. Mostly because it's annoying ending up on one of their communities and then having them get all upset when you point out basic facts.
Please share with the lemmy.world admins that i don't want to be defederated with lemmy.ml then too. OP should really ask their own instance admin though, what the hell.
Just link to support websites to do with solvent abuse (paint/glue huffing) whenever you see a hexbear / lemmygrad post. Push the narrative that they all huff paint and eventually they'll isolate themselves.
Hexbears stay winning as always
If racing to the bottom was a competition, you'd still be second behind Yugthos and their army of Canadian-based hot-takes. The only thing you're winning is second place, always.
Literally who?
