So all the 'conservatives' are seeing the writing on the walls and, like sea rats, scurrying to get off the sinking ship that is Donald J. Trump? They've had their fun and made their money but that dog won't hunt no more so they're all deciding to put him down.
If the momentum sticks and Trump is voted to oblivion, they'll all write their books about how terrible he really was. How odious it was to chafe under the strangling yoke of...^checks ^notes their endorsed candidate.
I'll take your vote, Dick, but you can choke on yourself just like all the other Republicans politicians voting for Harris.
It is more like they see an opportunity to push the democratic party even further to the right. Dick is in your party because he is comfortable there. You have no politics that are fundamentally inconsistent with his.
Hah, it's funny it has to come to this for people to understand that they may be voting for a system that they thought they were voting against.
Trump isn't even a politician, much less part of the shadow government(the swamp). Although Harris is part of this club, along with other big-name politicians, including the likes of Obama, Clinton, bush, Cheney, etc.
Trump is an asshole, but at least he isn't part of the dark elite trying to control our country (the world) from the shadows.
Trump gave the Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor, to Miriam Adelson because she inherited a fortune and gave a bunch of that to Trump's campaign. In case you don't believe me, here's her wikipedia page, there's no other accomplishments of note to be found there.
So I dunno what you mean by "shadowy government swamp". But if trading taxpayer-funded awards for money isn't part of it...shouldn't it be?
And as for Harris, she's one of the few people in congress to actually invest in index funds to avoid conflicts of interest and insider trading in stock investing. She's not above criticism, but she's probably one of least swampy politiicans out there.
Those war criminals in DC in later Bush administrations were so appalling and demoralizing that it’s hard to remember they’re able to be right about any single thing.
He's neither to you, only to himself and his interests.
Again - no matter how you people try to twist it to make yourselves feel better about it - Cheney is endorsing his own interests, and only his, and the interests of a wealthy conservative war monger will never align with yours, no matter how much you try to convince yourself otherwise (accidental alignment doesn't make one an ally, unless you also want to reach for Hitler as your example and justification, but be warned, you too will reek of pathetic desperation lmao).
You see trump as the embodiment of fascism (when in truth he's only a symptom), while Cheney sees him as the loose lipped child giving away the fascist family secrets. He's not endorsing dems because he's no longer conservative, he's endorsing dems because they make him feel safe and looked after, and if that isn't enough to tell you where "blue no matter who" leads, I have bad news for you: you're a fully fledged member of a cult. Just like a maga cap wearer - voting against your own interests because it's "your team" no matter how many red banners they wave in your face and blaring alarms they ring in your ears.
Lol, that still leads right back to "tell me who your friends are".
You can try to twist this all you like to spare your own discomfort, it won't change who he is, why he's supporting her, and what it means about who you're voting for (a conservative, and against your own best interests, either way. Because endorsements like these tell you whose interests they're are appealing to, and you really only need to be paying the very slightest of attention to realise it ain't yours).
Oh yeah, I forgot, some of you can only see the world in black and white red or blue.. 🙄
News flash: a (very fucking marginally) lesser evil is still fucking evil, and you're never going to be free of either as long as you continue to play by the rules they've set out for you (in fact, you'll only ever achieve the opposite - the continued shift to the right of the Overton window to its inevitable conclusion).
AOC could be the democratic nominee and the Cheney family would likely still vote for the democrats. He’s not voting for Harris because he likes her policies. He voting for her because of this reason that he gave…
“In our nation’s 248-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump,” Cheney said in a statement. “He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. He can never be trusted with power again.”
“As citizens, we each have a duty to put country above partisanship to defend our Constitution. That is why I will be casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris”
Cheney hates Trump because of his ties to Russia. For threatening to have the US leave NATO. January 6th. And above all the cardinal GOP sin of attacking fellow party members. Liz has repeatedly been the focus of Trump's outbursts because she's stood up to him. And to a ghoul like Cheney, attacking the in-group is a big no no. Especially his own daughter.
Plenty more Republicans are supporting Kamala Harris and they have good reasons that don't involve Russia. Furthermore, most true Republicans see the destruction of the conservative party by MAGA and want to defeat it to save the party.
I mean, it's both. Republicans are driven away from Trump because he's obviously a grifter to anyone with a room temperature IQ, but also leftists don't have any other option but the center-right Democrats. If we had a healthy spread of parties (enabled by ranked choice voting and the abolition of the electoral college) there is no way you'd see the Cheneys voting in the same bloc with anyone even remotely left.
For sure, but also it might be an indication of how much we're leaving on the table.
Would Cheney endorse a M4A candidate?
Would Cheney endorse an arms embargo on Israel candidate?
What's the line? How much more could we be going for here?
Realistically Cheney is bringing us effectively 0 voters, maybe even negative a few. So if it's these steps to the right Harris keeps making that give us Cheney with no ec votes, show me the value.
I think it more that the other option is just that insane. It's not as much a left vs right thing. It's a business as usual vs. Chaos election. Cheney being in favor of someone playing by the normal rules isn't that surprising.
Cheney is an absolute ghoul, but I don't doubt that the neocon stupidity he embraced during the Bush administration was at least partly out of a desire for America to remain 'top dog'.
Trump is sitting here ready to quite literally sell our position to Russia and China.
It's a WW2 moment. The Soviets and the Western Allies join hands, because even though each thinks the other is fucking terrible, there's a more vile foe afoot.
It's a business as usual vs. Chaos election. Cheney being in favor of someone playing by the normal rules isn't that surprising.
This doesn't actually oppose their point that
I think it's indicative of just how far right the "left" have gone. We have no real representation.
"Business as usual" is right wing politics, even to the Democratic party at this point, which is supposed to be the left wing.
If you keep shifting right to pick up people like Cheney, eventually your policy will just be the same as Cheney and if anyone wants to go further right they have to go "just that insane" to seperate themselves because republicans are never going to shift left.
It's because if you ever got a real leftist candidate into office you'd immediately turn on them when they refused to fill the reflecting pool with billionaire blood.
Maybe that's what the corporate media says but AoC is popular in her district. What really happens is money from AIPAC comes in and unseats the leftist candidate during the primaries.
How dare you?! Your criticism of the conservative lite party and unwillingness to compromise with the full blown fascists makes you the real fascist! (heavy /s)