Yes I am! This government pamphlet I got says so!
Huh, I wonder who that's for.
Literally everyone.
That's the point.
Lack of immunity does not mean you cannot become resistant to it. Like with all things education will free you. It's just a matter of finding enough of it and from the right sources
This implies I have to put effort in. I'll just write this comment off as propaganda and pat myself on the back for a job well done combating BS for the weak minded sheep. - Most of society
I don't need to be immune to propaganda. I live in [country], the best country of the world. We don't need no propaganda, that's just something that [other side of globe] countries do, as well as [neighbour country] of course.
But, but I'm special
this is a god reminder on lemmy
Hexbear people are very immune to propaganda. Maybe even reverse immune
hexbear people are hated here because they are not specifically on the american propaganda pipeline
They're just very susceptible to different propaganda.
While this is true, the complete absence of foreign and/or free media in some countries doesn't even give you a chance of forming educated opinions.
Especially Garfield! Perfectly designed to worm himself into the minds of those in corporate America.
I know. That's why I got rid of tv in the 90s and won't stay where commercial radio is being played.
and won't stay where commercial radio is being played.
Omg. Radio is the most propagandized media. It hurts my brain when it is playing.
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Eh. The older I get, the more neutral and apathetic I get. Everything seems to come from some direction with a degree of bias.
It's like fed articles on the war in Ukraine. If things were as positive as articles from both sides regularly claim, it wouldn't be where it is in Sep 2023. I get propaganda is also used to positively influence morale and support—and I encourage it for Ukraine—but it sure would be nice to see more unbiased reporting and posting. As it is, just got to kind of determine a median of the propaganda and that's likely the actual situation.
The most frustrating part about not being influenced by propaganda is that pro-Russia and pro-Ukraine people that have been susceptible to propaganda will attack you from both directions at the same time. Regardless of the topic/issue, this seems to be a good indicator that you're closely aligned to fact rather than story.
Edit: I see my lagged and incoming downvotes are the aforementioned pro-xxxxx doing exactly as I said they do. As far as I'm concerned, it's downvoting the opinion of accurate information distributed to allow critical assessment of individuals—since that's obviously the opposite of propaganda. I'd be interested to know the opinion of why someone downvoted me since the topic is about propaganda. If it's because you're pro-Russia or pro-Ukraine, well, thank you for participating in proving the point. The confirmation would be good though as long as it doesn't turn into an off-tipic debate around the War in Ukraine, which isn't actually the topic here, just an example used of the thousands but chosen for it's comminality and relevance right now
My big brain moment was when I realized that my interest in studying the conflict itself was the result of propaganda.
Haha. A positive side-effect. Do you have any good sources for people like me that care but have their energy spent elsewhere? I'm exhausted on climate, domestic racism, and equal opportunity. It doesn't mean I don't care about everything else, I just literally don't have capacity to cover it all, and that's what propaganda and bias agenda preys on.
Especially online, opinion is readily available. Information is becoming rarer.
The most frustrating part about not being influenced by propaganda is that pro-Russia and pro-Ukraine people that have been susceptible to propaganda will attack you from both directions at the same time. Regardless of the topic/issue, this seems to be a good indicator that you're closely aligned to fact rather than story.
Hi! I downvoted you because this paragraph is incredibly misguided. Firstly, you come right out and claim that you aren't influenced by propaganda, which is a ludicrous thing to think—especially in the context of this post. Secondly, you make the classic enlightened centrist argument that if everyone thinks you're wrong, you must have things figured out. That's a fundamentally stupid position. Have a good one!
Yah, putting Russian propaganda on the same level as Ukraine propaganda is incredibly pro Russian. Looking at the measurable damage caused, how Russia is using it's propaganda machine to trick people into fighting a war they don't even understand, under false pretenses. Ukraine may say they'd doing better than they are, or over exaggerate something Russia does, but they are no where near the same level.
Thanks for the response!
Could you explain how it's misguided, though? I know I'm loosely landing on a reliance of median. And keeping in mind this could be topical to worker's rights, climate change, native land title, drug use, socioeconomics, etc. basically more common examples where people may be aware or unaware of propaganda. If I'm missing out on insight without realising, I obviously would appreciate more perspectives to improve. Propaganda is a sneaky thing and it's very likely I don't have it illuminated as much as I think.
I mean it is going in Ukraine's direction. By all metrics they should've lost by now.
I feel like pro Ukraine propaganda and pro Russia propaganda is pretty easy to spot and ignore if you actually follow the events happening on the battlefield, and not what any major or semi major news outlets post.
Yeah, that's the issue. If people don't have capacity to focus on the details but still care. Many people are exhausted with their day but still care about what's going on so they look for a report, a summary, a breakdown. That seems to be where propaganda can seep in. Rather than "actual", they get...well whatever bias their source has.
Another great example is political votes for new leaders, referendums, legislation, etc. A lot of people don't have time to track it all and go through it all, but obviously care. If there's propaganda battles going on, very quickly can those people—often the majority—become divided instead of informed.
There's this sentiment that all journalism cannot be trusted. But if so, how does anyone ever get to find out anything at all? Word of mouth? Gut feeling? Distrust of journalism is reasonable, but not good enough. There are specific reasons why misinformation exists and you need to know WHY that is so. Because otherwise you discount information which is true, and the end result is the same as you'd get with blind trust: A false understanding of the world.
Everyone has a false understanding of the world to an extent. All you can do is have good intuation about who to trust
The Pizza pizza propaganda machine got to me again, caved in and got Panago
It's true. Starcadian is too good to be immune to.
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I have a very finely tuned bullsh*t meter from decades of detecting and avoiding it. The most important part is having information sources you trust and are without bias.
That you think unbiased sources exist means your bullshit meter is not as finely tuned as you think it is.
Yeah, none of us are unbiased. Literally. There is simply too much to know, and the world is far too complex, with too many unanswered questions/problems, to judge things without bias.
Even something as "simple" as ethics, has no objective answers as far as we know. And when people can disagree on ethics, you know, the very foundation of what is considered bad and good, how can you ever be truly unbiased?
The next best thing you can do, is being almost conciously biased. Find your moral framework and ideology (and the status quo very much is ideological as well), and criticize it and yourself to the highest degree. You won't be unbiased, but maybe you can get something productive going.
That you think there ARE no unbiased sources means that you're a corporate shill, spreading agit-prop to discourage folks from finding things out for themselves.
You see what I just did, there? That's exactly what you're doing to me
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