Bluesky outage double feature, part 1

In fairness they're still rolling out their federation.

Individuals can host their own servers with limited users (10 I think?). The Guardian seems to have launched one judging by their new account @theguadian.com launched today.

And they're using an open prptocol, with a promise to transfer it to an independent standards body in the near future. Also Jack Dorsey no longer has anything to do with it which is another good sign.

Can I have the documentation? I believe you I just haven't found it myself (I'm bad at looking things up)

I'd be interested in self hosting my own Bluesky server if this is the case, maybe I could bridge it to my Misskey Server

At this point, anything that hurts Twitter is good. Bluesky may go down in two years, but if twitter dies in one, I'll be happy. People need to learn to jump platforms again.

Yeah, competition, even if a little, is still good.

Sorry, Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml were down for maintenance again. You were saying?

Well, this user has posted on feddit.uk with a sh.itjust.works account. I would have been able to see it, but you wouldn't have.

To be honest, lemmy.world AND lemmy.ml could go offline I would barely notice it.
- I think I would mainly notice because my whole feed would be wholesome, supportive, and funny.
- I have them both blocked, so yeah, they aren't that important at all.
And the fact that I had no idea kinda disproves your point. I am browsing Lemmy a lot.
- And here I have a lemmy.world account because I'm not sure my own instance is that solid 🤕😥
- The joke is that most of lemmycels are on lemmy.world and lemmy.ml. Not that these instances literally went down.
Can they do it again please?
Shit doesn't work
Who?
Ah, shit.

bluesky is more federated than threads, but less federated than mastodon. As I understand it, you can more or less host your own bluesky "instance". Though it is difficult to do and some parts you have to build yourself, it is technically doable. This is not the case on threads, I believe.

I've recently read about that myself. But hosting anything Bluesky-related yourself is horrendously expensive because you need absolute monster servers with terabytes of disc space. Not to mention Bluesky's convoluted architecture.

Based on https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/14/24296537/bluesky-acting-up-outage-down it was down for 15-30 minutes and for some it was just read-only.

Lemmy instances regularly go down for maintenance longer than this.

Twitter used to regularly "fail whale" and in the long run no one cares.

Yes, decentralizing is a good thing. Yes, it's fun to poke at BlueSky. But in the long run if you have a product that people want to use then they'll put up with a lot of crap/downtime.

The point is that bluesky has no interest in being actually decentralized, it's just a gimmick
- Yeah because decentralization is just a gimmick. It sounds cool on paper, but in reality it doesn't solve many problems - it just introduces many others. The only situation where it helps is if an instance goes down permanently, and even then it's not that helpful.

Eh, I feel like the important part of decentralization right now is the potential to migrate.

Like, how many social media sites actually last 5 years before shitting the bed?

If admins of an instance get shitty, it's trivial to move to a new one. Traditional social media you'd have to migrate to a completely different site, with different features, layout, and other stuff.

People won't all wait for the same reason, as the biggest becomes actually "big" we'll see them start to fracture.

There just wasn't enough people on fediverse to start out like that.

So think of Blue sky, World, and all those other "big" instances that still don't have that many users as the egg for the future fediverse that actually has enough users to be proper decentralized

at least when an AP instance goes titsup people can hop on another instance. thats not currently possible with bluesky. to me that puts AP a step above AT
Is migrating really practical? Will your followers automatically follow you on your new server?
- On Mastodon yes, it is also compatible with a few other software like Akkoma. Your followers will get a notification that you moved and will automatically follow the new account. Works very seamlessly in my experience.
- On Mastodon it's very easy and it brings your followers over
- followers
  
  Lol.
  
  Buddy if I have any followers I'd be happy to leave them behind.
  
  But I'm not into that twitter/Instagram/Tiktok nonsense.
  
  If someone was, I'd assume they'd just leave a last post saying:
  
  This is where I am now
  
  They don't need to jump instances if they're federated, they just need to follow a new account.
Is it possible to move all of you subscriptions and comments to a new Lemmy instance?
- Yes, in your user settings there should be a button to Export/Import. I think it grabs the communities you subscribe to and any comments that you've starred. The comments you've made won't come with.
- Subscriptions yeah, you can download it with some settings and upload to a new account on most (all?) instances.
  
  Comments tho I'm not sure what you mean. But I can't think of any interpretation where you'd be able to migrate those.
Or we could simply not have admins by decentralizing the backend separately from the frontend.
- What?
  
  You know an instance is like, a physical server...
  
  Right?
  
  Like, the only way what you're saying makes sense, is if mods had to host their own communities. Someone has to host shit and be liable. Right now that's instance admins. If they didn't exist, you're just calling whoever hosts and is liable a different name than admin, they still do the same thing.
  
  You're just zooming in another level on it. Nothing changes.
I think you misunderstand. Bluesky is completely non federated. It has nothing to do with the fediverse and there is no ability to migrate.
- Not sure if your information is outdated or if you're using a different definition of federate, but this blog post says they have support for a degree of federation: https://bsky.social/about/blog/02-22-2024-open-social-web

The interesting thing is that Bluesky might become federated because of bridges to the fediverse. You would be able to federate with Bluesky with a fediverse server.

also incredibly easy for the federal government to take them out

The German federal government?
- Bluesky is US-based. Perhaps you're thinking of Mastodon? It doesn't really matter, though; I'm sure the new censors will block access from the US to any site that is potentially critical of Trump or his administration, regardless of location.

It's more like """federated""".

Assuming people dont make multiple accounts and each server goes offline for maintenance for the same time, wouldnt both one server and multiple servers act the same for the user?