Leasing inmates
Leasing inmates
No state has a longer, more profit-driven history of contracting prisoners out to private companies than Alabama. With a sprawling labor system that dates back more than 150 years — including the brutal convict leasing era that replaced slavery — it has constructed a template for the commercialization of mass incarceration.
Most jobs are inside facilities, where the state’s inmates — who are disproportionately Black — can be sentenced to hard labor and forced to work for free doing everything from mopping floors to laundry. But more than 10,000 inmates have logged a combined 17 million work hours outside Alabama’s prison walls since 2018, for entities like city and county governments and businesses that range from major car-part manufacturers and meat-processing plants to distribution centers for major retailers like Walmart, the AP determined.
Slavery never ended.
You can hate other empires as well, and I do, but the US has the largest prison population on Earth, and that isn't even per capita. 2 million prisoners. We should all be ashamed of that.
And you know that small businesses and independent establishments aren't seeing one minute of that free prison labor under their roof. It's all going to large companies with connections to government.
I'm not arguing that either should benefit from effective slave labor, but the fact that the biggest players get this insane advantage just rubs extra salt in the wound.
Last year I have been learning we are doing everything from the slavery era. It only got renamed.
It had a PR campaign, but it's still here. That 13th amendment needs to be amended anew
Wait, could I move to the US and rent a sexy inmate for my mansion? To parade in front of my geek friends? And play video games with?
(I mean I'd cruelly punish him of course, being in the US, like I wouldn't put any toppings on his ice cream, or something unusually painful, or whatever the law says you have to do).
Oh this is delicious. Keep in mind they hate abortion and hate sexual education. It's not a conspiracy any more. They want the poor to be uneducated and reproductive to have a jailed bottom slave minority.
Bingpot
Bingpot, indeed!
Yep. And it’s perfectly legal, because the US never banned slavery.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
I think we’re one of the only countries in the world who still has legal slavery. Pretty awful.
The accurate term for prison labor is involuntary servitude - and it's right there in your quote - but nobody ever gets internet points for using it.
If you’re arguing whether something is involuntary servitude or slavery, you’ve lost the plot. Both are unethical and inhumane, and involve coercing someone to work against their will to benefit another.
There are a few sharia lands and a bunch of not-yet-sharia lands with like half the population dreaming of it.
Taken together - a huge chunk of the globe.
There are also a few countries where the Western concept of slavery wouldn't work, but with pretty feudal-despotic cultural legacy, like, ahem, Japan and Thailand and what not, which may have something similar to slavery again in future.
So I wouldn't say USA is that different.
And in Russia there are whole small towns functional because of prison colony facilities there where prisoners work.
Still, prisoners working for private companies with prisons collecting their wages, - seems kinda uncomfortably close. Because, yes, if they are safe enough to be let out into society, they are safe enough to not be prisoners.
I put it to you that this might, with a few tweaks, actually be a step in the right direction. I'd rather be at work than in prison. Community service is a thing. This is clearly coming at it backwards on pretty much every count, but there's a kernel of a good idea in there.
To back you up: In Norway (and quite a few other countries I assume), job training and/or education are typically included in a prison sentence as a way to re-integrate inmates into society. Norway also happens to have one of the lowest repeat offender rates in the world.
Of course, this has to be voluntary on the inmates part, and they have to be paid some compensation for the work they do. I believe a part of the system involves inmates being placed for job training in some company that's willing to employ them, but the government pays their salary, because the employing company is expected to spend resources training them. This also incentivises the company to hire them once they finish doing time, as they've now been trained in the job.
Inmates that are regarded as too dangerous to be outside the prison can typically get jobs within the walls. In Norways highest-security prison, there's a Gardening businesses, where inmates grow all kinds of flowers, and inmates run a shop where people from outside can buy them. It's regarded as a huge success in helping the inmates prepare for an ordinary job.
Here, they let you learn for a job instead in prison. Seems the better option, imo.
Fair enough, but for this to be just it must be voluntary for the prisoner and it must not be used as a motivation to deny parole.
Do you trust not being put in jail for anything they come up with?
Goodness no, I'd more or less expect it. The whole model is upside down.
Yes, convict leasing was designed to be a direct replacement for slavery. It was used that way right after slavery ended when you could arrest a black person for anything you could think of. No job? Arrested, leased. No home? Arrested, leased. Etc....
So slavey never ended! Cool cool. Totally not a corporate dictatorship masquerading as a democracy...
the laws never pretended it ended. the thirteenth ammendment very plainly allows it:
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
emphasis mine. it never said you can't have slavery any more, it just said if you're gonna do slavery you have to convict someone first.
Dylan roof got Burger King and Luigi is facing terrorism charges and the death penalty.
I guess it became more egalitarian and less racist though? One can say they failed to end slavery, but they managed to end exclusively black slavery.
So it turns out that USA is actually not land of the free, but land of the equal. Seems what they like to accuse USSR of. Those damned commies.
If by "more egalitarian" you mean "less blatantly racist", the sure.
https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/2023-demographic-differences-federal-sentencing
And if you want to get more details, watch like any episodes of John Oliver.
America is not "the land of the equal".
It's legal per the 13th Amendment.
Doesn't make it right, and it says a lot about how little both parties value human rights that it's allowed to stand.
"both" parties...sure
Cmon buddy. I get that the "both sides" argument is lame and tired when it comes to things like abortion and women's rights but this is a perfect example of it being true. I know you identifying as a Democrat believe that they couldn't possibly support slavery but they do. Slavery as punishment for a crime is universal in American politics as a policy neither side would ever go against. This is a real example of capitalism triumphing over morals that is prevalent in neo liberalism. The first step to making sure your party is better is to acknowledge that they ain't being better when its pointed out. Aka, don't defend the slavers
Oh, that's nothing. Ever wonder who tough on crime legislation actually benefits, and who's lobbying for it?
Government: "WELL ACHSHUALLY, They aren't slaves because they consented...
under the threat of 23 hour solitary confinement with zero amenities and nothing to do and shitty food and absolute boredom, and practically psychological torture"
Yeah it was written that way in order to have slaves with extra steps
That's how success is made, boy
America calling slavery slavery challenge impossible!
"dates back more than 150 years"
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Interesting timeframe
This is how states fight wildfires
And then they don't qualify to work as firefighters after they are released.
If you don't want slavery, then make it illegal. Maybe even make a constitutional amendment.
Alabama is a very cruel and inhumane place full of borderline retarded sociopaths. And stupid-ass rednecks and women who look like a 5 but think they're a 10. Mouth breathing morons in pickup trucks. A baptist church on every corner. Bojangles. Arresting people for smoking THCA that was legally bought from a gas station and charging them with marijuana possession and posting their mugshot all over the internet (happened to me). Cops who've known each other since kindergarten who peaked in high school and think at a third grade level. Hostility towards outsiders wrapped in a thin veneer of southern "hospitality". Backstabbing gossipy little bitches, men included, everywhere you look. Nobody means what they say. If they act nice to you, it means they don't like you. Many of them get off on taunting and tormenting other people. Football. Trees, lots of trees. There are diseases lurking you would expect to find in a developing country. The state is third world tier all around. The people are fundamentally malicious. Let's see what else.... Oh yeah they all look inbred as fuck.
Ok, so many things to unpack here. First, it's important to remember that these kinds of issues are very much systematic. You can't point your finger at one person or even one state and say that they are the issue. The issue here is deep seated racism in the United States, legalized slavery that is literally written into the US constitution. And Alabama being a poor state filled with uneducated people is not those people's fault. It again comes back to racism and other huge issues of inequality. It's best to have some curiosity. Why is Alabama full of these issues? Is it because people are different there? Probably not, it's not like evolution works that fast on a geographic area that isn't isolated. So you have to ask why, and look for the self perpetuating power dynamics. Second, insulting one group of people by referencing another group using a slur damages both groups. People with intellectual and developmental disabilities are vulnerable to discrimination and exploitation. Let's not try to solve the problem of racism by deepening the problem of ableism. We have to work on it all at the same time. Power structures arise because one group exploits vulnerabilities in another. When you put down a whole group of people, it is likely because you feel that lack of powerlessness that comes with being in a hierarchy, and you're acquiring power for yourself by rendering others less powerful than you. This isnt a moral failing on your part, instead, I would say that it's an ineffective strategy that only serves to further entrench the hierarchy and your place in it. Instead, let's work to equalize everyone, lifting up everyone to the same height.
OK thanks for listening.
Oh, you want to lecture me huh? Alright, well I guess it's easy to take the moral high ground when you aren't the one trapped in a small town where everybody is playing a game of telephone and you're the target. I'm well aware of the systemic issues and it only makes me hate them even more knowing that the vast majority of them perpetuate the injustices that I am now a victim of. When I see these people smiling and laughing with their families I know that just beneath that there is a viciousness that could just as easily be pointed in my direction depending on the context. They have no empathy or awareness for the collateral damage their insular "society" inflicts on me, just insults and mockery. Absolute vileness. These people make my life a living hell every time I leave the house. They are like a bottomless well of venom and malice and they always have a way of making it known to me in the subtlest and most passive- aggressive ways. Let me tell you, I did not know the meaning of hate before I came here. I do now. They taught me very well.
And you know what? Trump will give them everything they deserve. I think I'm starting to warm up to the guy for that reason alone. 30 days, assholes. Tick tock.
please be satire, please be satire, please be satire
I'm sorry to say the Prison-Industrial Complex is a huge problem, and part of why this country has some of the highest incarceration rates in the world 🙁
Companies like Bob Barker (not the tv one) and Sysco are quietly making mountains of cash to supply all those “leasable” inmates with the lowest possible quality food and toiletries. I would love to see a political candidate campaign on repealing the 13th amendment, I doubt it’ll happen any time soon but one can hope.
Brian Thomson is just hibernating, Luigi is hereby acquitted!
Spending a year dead for tax reasons