4mo ago

Mexico offers cash to get guns off the streets: $1,200 for an AK-47 rifle and $1,300 for a machine gun

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Summary

Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum has launched the nationwide "Yes to Disarmament, Yes to Peace" program.

The program offers cash to citizens who anonymously surrender firearms, including $430 for revolvers, $1,200 for AK-47s, and $1,300 for machine guns.

The weapons will be destroyed.

The program, expanded from a 2019 Mexico City initiative, aims to combat violent crime, with firearms responsible for 70% of Mexico’s 31,062 homicides in 2023.

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4mo ago

Mexico offers cash to get guns off the streets: $1,200 for an AK-47 rifle and $1,300 for a machine gun

www.cbsnews.com /news/mexico-cash-for-guns-campaign-ak-47-machine-gun/

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive
This is the name for the concept which many commenters are describing
- You can breed cobras but you can't breed guns.
  
  You can manufacture them with a lathe and CnC machine, and thats if you want quality. There are some rather terrifying Sten and Grease gun "replicas" in my area which you shouldnt shoot under any circumstances because they were manufactured in a shed by a half crazed Redneck and/or veteran back in the 90s.
  
  In some places I heard they make AK47 clones in village workshops
- When my old man was little the local tobacco company would give you 50 penni for every rat tail you brought in.
  It didn't take long for some kid to realise the best source of rat tails was the dumpster behind the tobacco factory.

- No, you buy 3 AK's. Infinite money glitch.
- Where are you getting AKs that cheap?!
  
  guns.com has one for $599 right now - it's brand new.
  https://www.guns.com/firearms/p/century-arms-vska-tactical-blem?i=469321
  You can find these substantially cheaper used.

Step 1. Buy ~$500 AR15
Step 2. Sell said AR15 for $1300 to the government
Step 3. Buy 2 ~$500 PSA AR15s
Step 4. Sell them to the government for $2600
...
Step11. Buy 32 ~$500 AR15s
Step 12. Sell them to the government for $41600
...
Step 25. Buy 16,384 ~$500 AR15s
Step 26. Sell them to the government for $21.3M
...
Step 39. Buy 2,097,152 ~$500 AR15s
Step 40. Sell them to the government for $2.7B
...
Continue until Mexico has run out of money
- Calm down, Mr. Soros
- I've never found a more intelligent loaf of bread
  
  He's certainly on the level of Bernd das brot
- You always hear about these programs creating the wrong incentives. Soon enough, it’s easier to set up an AR15 factory and just start producing them so you can sell them to the government.
  Georgia had program to try to cut down on the number of wild hogs that were overpopulated. So, they paid people a price per tail. Soon enough, you had people breeding wild hogs, so they could kill them and get the bounty.
- Step 1. Buy ~$500 AR15
  From where?
  If you're in Mexico it would make more sense as the seller to sell it for the $1300.
  If you're in the states, are you going to travel to and smuggle to Mexico?

It's not going to be perfect, and unless you can stop the guns coming from the border it's not a permanent solution, but maybe it can help a handful of struggling youngsters to stay out of gangs and crime rings.
- I think Mexico should invest in building some kind of border wall to keep all of the harmful stuff from the U.S out. They could even make the U.S pay for it
- Brazil did something similar a couple decades ago and it helped reduce numbers of violent crimes to some extent. The numbers were constantly going up year after year and this iniative made it go down drastically, but it continued going up at the same rate as it did before. After a decade or so it was already at the same rate as it used to be before they got the guns - and it kept going further up since
  
  Interesting. Did the buyback offer eventually expire, or the buyback rates not increase? If either were the case, renewing it might continue to have benefits. Like I said, a good solution but not a permanent one.
- Maybe guns will stop coming across the boarder if they ask the CIA nicely?
- but maybe it can help a handful of struggling youngsters to stay out of gangs and crime rings.
  Nah. Mexico needs a cultural shift for that to happen.
  Too many of them revere gang violence, which is why it's so prevalent in their society.

Unfortunately, you have to be a citizen to take advantage of the deal. That’s a huge paycheck for an AK though.
- I'm pretty sure you could make a deal with a local. Only trouble is getting an AK47 over the boarder.
  
  Just thinking about this a bit more now; in the world we live in, and considering the number of guns in the USA... if Mexico allowed for this program to go on for a while the USA could potentially inadvertently bankrupt the Mexican economy in gun-buybacks. It's kinda funny in a scary as fuck way.
  
  I wonder how much gun running usually makes per AK.

Just like with US buybacks, they will get guns that would never be used in a homicide, unless it were stolen.
- What?!
  You know guns last longer than people right?
  Even if never sold and never stolen, they will eventually be inherited.
  Like, you know great grandma didn't really move to a farm upstate, right?
  
  Are you saying that you believe that eventually the family heirloom gun will inevitably be passed down to a murderous Mexican?
  That's pretty racist.
- Pretty much a lot of those guns are stolen.
- And the same with other countries buybacks. The government gets sold a load of trashed/trashy guns, sellers get money for better guns.
- Still fewer weapons 🤷

Unfortunately so long as they border the US guns will be widely available. One of many reasons concerns about guns entering the US from Mexico are silly

I'll pay $1400 for the machine gun. Let's do this.

Fuck this autoplay video bullshit.

Surely they mean submachine gun? Or are there Brownings on the streets of Mexico?

What’s the legal difference in Mexico between an AK and a machine gun? If the $1200 is for a semi AK, it’s only an extra $100 for a select fire one?

Would be too bad if there was one or more organisations in Mexico with the means to import arms from abroad to make big bucks with this. Bonus for using the money to fund illegal operations.
- Generally buyback programs are a success because they reduce the amount of guns.
  Sorry you would rather pretend in some made up situation that there is an infinite amount of guns and nothing can be done to stop the unlimited flow of guns.
  
  Gun violence in the USA increases every year. Buyback programs have been happening for how long, since the 60’s?
  Tell me more about how effective they are.
  Also, until the manufacturing of firearms is eliminated… yes, there is essentially an unlimited supply.
  To further compound the issue; the programs we’ve had in the US are voluntary. In the USA, there are more guns than people and firearms ownership is both engrained into the culture and a part of the constitution. In the hypothetical scenario that firearms manufacture were to be ended, and buy back programs were to become mandatory; which group of people are you going to task with rounding up all of the guns?
  It’s a complex problem; maybe you need a pedant to understand some of the complexities.

what is a machine gun exactly
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_machine_gun
  PSA: People only care about splitting hairs with these definitions because they don't want guns to be banned. Learn to see it for what it is so you can better argue against it. This guy, for example, doesn't actually care about what a machine gun is and only wants to muddy the waters so fewer weapons are banned.
- The term is generally considered a firearm that can fire more than one shot with a single trigger pull. Its complicated and there is more nuance, especially if you are going by ATF definitions. But overall, that's typically what they mean.
- a shoestring

Aww! They're so proud of those grandpa rifles and busted pistols!
https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/gun-buyback-study-effectivness/
- Buyback programs ended gun violence in Australia you bootlicker
  
  Buyback programs were a piece of the Australian program; far from the whole thing. Requiring gun licenses and the creation of the firearms registry probably had more to do with it than the buyback programs.
  
  Buyback programs collect ancient, worthless and broken guns, funding people to buy better guns.
  Pictured: A bunch of crappy guns. Probably a shitload of antiques getting trashed because idiots, "Less means good!"
  Pro tip: Keep using "bootlicker". It's a simple burn that let's everyone know you're "right thinking" and the OP you replied to is a fascist. Gets lots up upvotes, makes you feel good.

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