Bad Influence.

It's never about the kids
- Some really do think it is. And I feel sorry for them. My ex-wife's mother was one that put her in one of those teenage camps. Convinced they were what could help her by the church and her friends. But she's just not smart. Very gullible. I really don't think she would have had she known. The zeitgeist of the times were not as abundant as it is now.

Killing small animals? So like Barron Trump is alleged to have done:
https://www.intomore.com/the-internet/scandal/the-shocking-barron-trump-allegations-just-keep-getting-worse/
- how old is he now? Is it finally ok to set upon little Baron?
  
  Was born March 20th, 2006. He'll be 19 in a couple months.
  
  This, I find it weird that I keep getting people saying "YOU CAN'T MOCK BARRON HE'S JUST A CHILD!"
  He was a child 8 years ago, people age.
  (I will admit, even I forget this from time to time... Like when I saw Ant MAn 3 and was like "Wait, why's the cute little girl who basically sold these movies by being best character now a generic angsty teen.... oh... right... live action, the actress aged... and there's been a time skip.. and a tonal shift... right"
- Holy shit, how was this not bigger news? I like to think I keep up with things but this is the first time I have read any of this.
- Trump was nearly 60 when he had him. Barron could have genetically predisposed mental health issues.
  
  Barron could have genetically predisposed mental health issues because he's a Trump. Look at the rest of them.

Just buy a tesla and a smartphone. Those are the spy machines described in the book. The difference is that the 1984 government had to hide that stuff in your house and now, people even pay for them.
- The 1984 government did not hide that stuff in your hozse. The telescreens are the centerpiece of any appartements. The difference is that in the book, everybody knows they are supervised and fear the supervisors, while today, nobody cares.
  
  everybody knows they are supervised and fear the supervisors
  They regularly saw friends and neighbors persecuted by police. We don't really see that in the modern day. There's no cop who bangs on your door because you did a wrongthink online.
- Honestly don't do anything you wouldn't want a fascism regime knowing about on any PC running Windows or MacOS or any smart phone.
  On that note, what Linux distro are best for privacy?
  
  At this point, any of them.
  Strictly speaking, fully loaded Kali Linux (or an equivalent build) so you can learn to do subversive things against adversarial networks.
  But really, if you just want an operating system under your control, every version of Linux will do that for you.
  But Hannah Montana Linux will do it for you with the most style.
  
  Admittedly I'm not keeping up on this, so maybe outdated but it used to be Tails.
  
  Depends on your opsec scope and use case. It also depends on the software you are running ontop like your browser or other services that probably have even more data on you.
  
  On that note, what Linux distro are best for privacy?
  Funnily enough, GrapheneOS Android.
  All popular general purpose Linux Desktop distros suck in terms of privacy and security out of the box. It is possible to configure stuff like SELinux but that is very far above what even a competent Linux user is able to do properly.
  Tails and QubesOS are amazing in terms of security and privacy, but their lack of general usability means very few people are going to use them day to day. For most users, they are impractical.
  GrapheneOS has a mix of security, privacy and usability that makes it attractive choice for anyone somewhat competent with technology and caring for privacy.

Is 1984 banned? That was mandatory reading...
- It and Fahrenheit 451 are, ironically, among some of the most banned books in the US.
  
  It was banned in both the Soviet Union and the US.
  In the Soviet Union it was banned for being anti-communist.
  In the US it was banned for being communist.
  
  Footloose amusingly enough as well.
  
  That's funny, they were both required reading where I am in the U.S.
- Yes, and I'm glad that it is.
  record skip, everyone stares at HawlSera awkwardly, guns are cocked and pointed at her
  Because when you tell a people that a piece of media is too evil and vile to ever be looked at, that only makes them wanna read it more. I guruan-fucking-tee more people have read 1984 now that they're not allowed to!
  
  Points for self awareness, and for Streisand effect.
- As others have told you, yes. And the worst part is the justification is usually because Winston and Julia have sex. And it's not titillating. Orwell was not exactly writing erotica.
- yes they are literally banned at most schools in my state. Along with books that have LGBT charicters in them

Literally 1984

Any librarian worth their salt would find a secret way to get that kid his book
- I watched the library in my high school downsized repeatedly during and after my time in school.
  They went from half a dozen librarians to one. They purged their collections of microfilm and whittled away any research tools that weren't just on a computer. They stopped ordering new books for the most part by the time my sister graduated.
  I believe they've since renovated the space to convert a big chunk of it into more classrooms.

This is literally what YouTube is like though. The less educational content is, the more likely they are to remove or age restrict it. NileGreen made a video about this recently, it's kinda long but you can watch it if this sounds interesting.

1984 is more appropriate for adolescents than for kids under tweens. If anyone has read the ending, the imagery in Room 101 is pretty graphic. There are also sexually suggestive imagery in the middle of the book.
The best dystopian book for kids that warns of authoritarianism would be Fahrenheit 451 and Animal Farm imo. The latter was my introduction to George Orwell by my teacher just before I entered adolescence.
- I did say 1984 is probably not apt for those under tween age. The cartoon post depicting the kids don't look like tweens. They look like seven or eight years old or maybe even younger.

This kinda hits different when you replace cats with cows.
- If you're killing the cow in the same way the people in those videos kill cats, then it doesn't hit much different at all.
  There's definitely a line here, but I suspect that we disagree on where that line is.
  
  If you think cows are killed in anything but abject horror, I'd recommend you at the very least watch Dominion, which was linked above.
- obligatory https://watchdominion.org/
- Or replace cats with billionaires.
  
  Fat cats

I don't follow american book ban list. Is it actually ban?
- I don't think it's currently on any ban lists in the US; if it is, it's just in a few odd corners. It has been on ban lists around the world in the past for various reasons.
- Wahou... I never knew ban/brought back book was commun in some place. That's wild.
- https://pen.org/report/beyond-the-shelves/
  Disproportionate to publishing rates and like prior school years, books in this prominent subset overwhelmingly include books with people and characters of color (44%) and books with LGBTQ+ people and characters (39%).
  Over half (57%) of the banned titles in this subset include sex-related themes or depictions, due to ramped up attacks on “sexual content.”
  Nearly 60% of these banned titles are written for young adult audiences, and depict topics young people confront in the real world, including grief and death, experiences with substance abuse, suicide, depression and mental health concerns, and sexual violence.
  If you pick around for schools with bans, you can occasionally find 1984 on the list. But that is primarily because of the extramarital sex scene between Wilson Smith (the protagonist) and his lover Julia.
  
  Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

He looks so sad about not getting the book lmao

Fun fact: 1984 by George Orwell is legal in China
but as you can see, it doesnt matter
people don't make the connection to IRL

Where is this book banned for children for being a bad influence?
- Most recently in Florida. It's been banned often in the United States, it's also been banned in Vietnam
- Just look for red states/cities in the US. More than likely its been banned there.
- I don't know why you're getting downvoted. I also didn't know this book was banned, and was going to ask something similar.
  
  One would assume that Kurt Vonnegut would have some awareness about books
- I mean, 1984 isn't really age appropriate for children anyway. Not from the authoritarianism, but sexual and violent content and themes.
  
  see, this is what is being pointed out in the meme. Children are exposed to violence and sexuality every single day. Just because children shouldn't be committing violence or having sex doesn't mean they can't read about it or know about it. Also how fucking ridiculous is it that we place violence and sex in the same sentence w similar weight.
  
  What age are you talking about? I read it for the first time when I was 13 or so. These library censorship laws do not differentiate between 6 and 13. They just make it so that everyone under 18 can't access it.

- Nsfl
  
  Thanks for the warning. Not clicking that and ruining my day.

You know the book is old enough to be in the public domain nowadays, and you can legally download a copy of it using the same device they use for watching those videos, right?
- I get where you're coming from, but that isn't the point
  
  I can only surmise the point here is a fact-free circlejerk completely lacking in humor or self-awareness?
- Do the kids know that?
  
  There are several links to free, legal copies at the bottom of the book's Wikipedia page.
  Also, if you type "1984" into YouTube, the first result is this full audiobook recording. It's really not difficult to find.
- The proper reaction to finding out that librarians are legally barred from lending certain classic novels to children is not, "oh that's okay, they can just download it." Especially when we're literally talking about a book dealing with suppressing speech.
  
  On the contrary, I'd say that's an instructive example demonstrating why the book continues to be relevant over 75 years after its release.
  Also, if anything, banning it would likely only serve to increase interest in it since the best way to get a rebellious teenager to do anything is to tell them they aren't allowed to do it.