Trump-backing Muslim voters finally realize they 'made a big mistake': expert

Awwww. Maybe if people actually had been reading the news they may have seen this coming. Now it’s only the leopards.
- Which news? The one that downplayed everything he said, or the one that never mentioned a single thing he said?
  
  No no....it was the one that justified everything he said and sane-washed it as being "not that bad".
  
  Every non fox like news channel covered project 2025, and fox even had a few stories. Sure, there could have been more alarm bells raised, but not many down played the seriousness of it. You'd have to be completely ignorant of his intentions to think he wouldn't go through with almost everything he said he would. It's still on them for somehow not believing it.
- Yes ofc I saw this coming when the dems decided to support genocide. Another loser candidate. Who could be surprised?
  
  Guess who's face is being eaten right now, dude? Its literally yours...lol Get a fucking clue. You picked this.
  
  Hope you're enjoying Donald "Finish The Job" Trump.
  
  Lemme know what the inside of the concentration camp is like. I hear it's to die for.

They aren't regretting here yet. I make comments about it and get brigade against. Hey Dearborn Palestinians for Trump: you guys were completely ignorant, ignored everything that man said, and still held out hope he would be better for your people for some god known reason. Ya fucked up.
- The election was three months ago. These constant attempts to relitigate it are just an attempt by the right to divide the left.
  The truth is there is blame on both sides. Those who stayed home hold some responsibility, and the Biden admin is also to blame for shunning their own base.
  But now we have bigger fish to fry. There's a constitutional crisis on, and a united front is needed against the right. Fuck the dividers. When someone tries to divide the left, call them out on it or downvote them to hell. They're either a conservative or a Russian troll.
  
  The right didn’t need help to divide the left this election. The left did it itself. The American left splintered into toxic little sub groups who all hated each other, saw each other as unworthy allies and called each other fascists for being even slightly right or even left of each other. Meanwhile the right was unified and laughing at the left who so easily felll for the right’s manufactured war
  
  Those who stayed home hold some responsibility
  Second most of the responsibility, actually (actual Trump voters take the most responsibility). They screwed up, and now we're all paying the price.
  But now we have bigger fish to fry. There’s a constitutional crisis on, and a united front is needed against the right.
  Also true. If Trump voters and non-voters realize that they screwed up badly and want to work to fix it, then we need to accept their apology, forgive them, and let them stand with the rest of civilized humanity in countering Trump, Must, and their goons.
  
  Eh.
  I'm not ready to forgive the utterly ignorant fools who abstained from voting or voted 3rd party and helped put us in the situation we're in.
  They do not deserve to be forgiven. Especially this fast. I like accountability.
  
  The left is divided already. In the ways these folks voluntarily decided to do. It's not now that others are pointing it out that the divisions are occurring. How much more gentle do others need to be around the ones who made this mistake? How much more hand holding?
- They aren’t regretting here yet.
  How many pro-trump muslims do you think exist on Lemmy?
  Y'all are crying about demographic groups that are statistically nonexistent.
  I guess libs are the real victims of the genocide that they support. \s
  
  Every single one that voted 3rd party helped trump...and there are tons on Lemmy.
- You're scapegoating 40,000 people who have lost family members in the genocide for not voting for the killers and using Dearborn as a slur at this point. Less people voted for Trump there than the national average. Keep proving you're a Nazi.
  
  Fuck the Nazis, but also fuck the conservative Muslims that can't vote for a woman.
  
  "Not voting for the killers" is REALLY a stretch here.
  Honestly if Palestine is your one and only policy, not voting was the right choice.
  It was well known from Trump's first term, and everything the man has ever said, that he would encourage attacks on Palestinians vs the Dems who simply stood by and let it happen.
  There's a big difference between not voting for someone who won't help and actually voting for someone who hates you and will unapologeticly help your enemy kill you.

Love seeing all the pissed off abstainers get angry that they're not being thanked.
It didn't work in 2016. It didn't work in 2024. Maybe next time? Oh wait....
- Love to see the pearl clutching idiots ingesting the propaganda and teaching themselves to hate their neighbors over a strawman.
  If you actually payed attention and looked at data, you would know that protest votes didn't impact the election in any meaningful way
  But I understand. It's really easy to get poor people to hate each other as a control mechanism.
  
  Trump won the national popular vote by 1%
  There was a 2% reduction in voter participation from 2020 to 2024.
  So, yeah. Idiots staying home because there wasn’t a perfect candidate did impact the election in a significant way.
  You staying home was a vote for Trump, and a whole lot of people are going to pay for your shitty behavior.

Sorry.
All out of sympathy.
Maybe if their trash decisions, after numerous warnings and pleas for common sense, didn't lead to putting my own country in extreme jeopardy, I'd find the will to give a shit about their problems.
Hope they like the leopards shitting on their faces.
- Hope they like the leopards shitting on their faces.
  Is that before or after they eat their faces?

Many of [the voters] stayed home, and some of them voted for Donald Trump," he said. "But they are now feeling very clearly that they made a big mistake. And, you know, sort of like the kid who gets in trouble and his parents send him to his room and he goes out there and starts throwing stuff around... in a pique of anger. All he's got is a mess and that's what we've got here.
Now that some of them have (maybe?) woken the hell up, I'd like to see a shit-ton of apologies from those that bought into the concerted gEnOcIdE narrative to put donvict into office.
I am pretty sure that most of those pushing that narrative are not going to apologize, because I know the type, and they are very stubborn. They pretty much got what they want - many of them are, at root, nihilists. And that's just the ones that are not Russian trolls, who have mostly clammed up for the time being.
- The loudest ones were Russian and Chinese bots sewing discord and hastening the USA’s decline.
- concerted gEnOcIdE narrative
  Disgusting wacko here.
  Who demands an apology from the victims of genocide? Peak liberal entitlement to genocide.
  
  Well, strawman arguments and calling me names is certainly a good argument. I guess?
  
  No USA voter is the victim of genocide...what the fuck are you even talking about???
  
  Time for you to go back to grade school and work on your reading comprehension.
  The post, and the commenter you're trying and failing to talk down to, are talking about Muslim American voters. They are not directly genocide victims. They are people living in comfort in America failing to protect those in Palestine by making smart decisions at the polls.

The good old FAFO and the Gaza Ghetto has the possibility of becoming a resort. Always vote for the lesser of the two evils.

Most muslims I know saw right through the bullshit, but it seems there is a growing dumb fringe in all communities. Two were very vocal about Biden but ultimately supported Kamala as (in their view) the obvious lesser evil. That even one would vote for the guy who put a ban on Muslims in his first term will always baffle me as the most stupid shit I've ever witnessed
Edit the n+1th most stupid after the nth things diaper don does
- They didn’t need all Muslim voters.
  They needed “enough” Muslim voters. They peeled some off. And some voters on the economy and some voters on other issues.
  The glaring issue with Palestine is that they were basically silent on it. Harris needed some daylight with Biden, but she chose the VP hat over her candidate hat and kept her mouth shut. (Or she doesn’t disagree with biden’s response. Which would also be problematic…)
  
  I was so happy when she took over because she'd have the freedom to distance herself from Biden on the issues that were killing him (apart from the obvious senility). Instead she just kept trying to make everyone knew she approved of everything he did. What a terrible terrible mistake.
  
  They didn’t need all Muslim voters.
  They certainly acted like they wanted zero of them.
- It's a fringe that was a minority irrelevant to the election result but a favorite punching bag for liberals who'd rather do that than confront people in their own community and social networks. All the white racists they know get a pass, because they were just mistaken or misled, but they have passionate anger for minority voters who were witnessing an active genocide for not having 100% Democratic turnout.
  
  We need to be very clear that white people, in almost every demographic - men, women, 18-55, 55+, non-college educated went solidly, majority Trump. THAT is the biggest problem, and it’s what needs to be fixed if the Republicans are ever going to get dislodged. Blaming groups that “only” voted 75-80% Harris is not helpful, and is exactly the kind of unproductive sniping the Republicans encourage and celebrate when we do it.
  If you are not a white male billionaire, and you voted for Trump, or didn’t vote, you’ve made life worse for yourself (and everybody else) in multiple, awful ways, and should feel stupid about it. I’m sure most people will figure that out eventually, even if it is too late. Asking people how Trump has made their life better rather than telling them they’re idiots will probably get them there faster.
  The Democratic party’s strongest, winning platform would to directly address the needs of people who work for a living, which is basically everybody, as opposed to the current “we rig the economy for billionaires… LESS!” Yes, Biden actually did many good things for working people, but he mixed it in with enough fellating the 1% that is was easy to make the (correct) conclusion that the wasn’t all in on it. Heck, Trump actually said some of the right things on that front. He was obviously lying, and anybody with a memory better than a goldfish (less than half the voters it seems) knew that, but at least he pretended to care about it.
  Democrats need to focus on that. If that messaging ever got going seriously, Republicans would be too busy panic screeching about communism to spend their time telling people which bathroom they could use. The reason making tje economy work for the 99% isn’t front and center is because neither the Republican nor the Democratic leadership will allow that conversation to happen.

People here still blaming this on minority voters are deafeningly silent on party leadership holding the coalition hostage over AIPAC funding
Stop directing your anger at people being robbed of basic representation instead of political actors who are gleefully accepting blood money to turn against their constituents and a blind eye to genocide
- We know they're war-criminals. There's still a difference between that and leveling the place for a hotel. Trump gleefully accepted $100m from Adelson for the west bank.
  Stop assuming we're pro-dems and not just anti-trump.
  
  Stop assuming we're pro-dems and not just anti-trump.
  This is the shit that drives me nuts. No matter how many fucking times you explain it, they just cannot wrap their heads around this for some reason. Or they refuse to.
  
  I'm not assuming you're pro-dems, I'm pointing out that their loss is entirely attributable to their own political mis-calculation on top of their efforts to gaslight Americans about their roll and knowledge of the crimes being committed on their behalf.
  Blaming voters for reacting to the Democrats' policy decisions - including the moderates they alienated - is simply yet another attempt to obscure the facts that lead us to this moment.
  
  Gaza is fully leveled and Trump had nothing to do with it.
- Please elaborate what the party leadership could've done differently to not alienate the other voting blocks mentioned.
  
  They could have defended the lives of Palestinians and acknowledged that the genocide was happening.
  It was Biden's press secretary and SOS who got up on a podium everyday and assured the press and those "other voters" that Israel wasn't doing anything wrong. They drew that line themselves, not anyone who was protesting the genocide.
  
  I find arguments that the non-voters shouldn't be blamed for Trump because party leadership didn't properly encourage them to vote for Harris idiotic. Everyone has a duty to educate themselves about their vote. Shifting blame to the DNC is both patronizing and destructive. The DNC sucks.... You know who else sucks? people who didn't stand up against Trump. Those people are grown ass adults who actively helped a fascist by doing nothing but bitch.

Someone told me that it was over now and we should just get over it. I swear to god, I vowed every day that I aruged against these fuckers, non-stop for 5 months, to throw this in their face and make them regret. I'm not going to make myself a liar. My high morals prohibit it.
None of it will mean shit when it's 3 years down the road and I'm pleading, "do not make this fucking mistake again." And they do it anyway. No, I want to shame them away from politics. I want to shame them to being active trump supporters. If there is no lessons learned then I get to enact revenge.

I still believe this was a targeted campaign to get dems to sit out. Their strategy is to spread as much shit as possible, and as soon as they see something that sticks, push it hard. It's sad, but this strategy is extremely effective against the left because we're all too eager to find a reason not to support the dems.
The only defence is to be aware of this strategy. Rather than shit on people, try to explain how they've been duped so next time they have a chance of noticing.
- You’re right, and that’s why it’s the DNC/harrisncampaign’s fault.
  Harris needed to put daylight on the issue, and instead just assumed “yeah but trump is worse” would actually be effective.
  They didn’t reach voters and basically allowed gop propaganda and lies to reach their base without answer.
  They just assumed voters were there like in ‘16, and this time the voters told them they weren’t. And here we are.
  
  She should have done all of that, but they would have just found a different wedge issue.
  
  This is some revisionist bullshit. She told you how bad it will be. You said nuh uh.
  Now the leopard is eating your face.
  
  Y'all have so much hindsight, but ignore the complete stranglehold that the Israel lobby has on politics in this country. Coming out in support of Palestine would have been the death knell for any candidate.
  Don't overestimate the size of your demographic just because you choose to live in a bubble.
- I'm sure it was advertised and amplified for electoral purposes, but this wasn't some drummed up issue. No one made Biden send all that support or made Harris avoid the issue. This wasn't some purity test for an obscure policy that the administration was powerless to change, it was a major moral issue that was directly related to their choices and fully within their power to address. No one should ever have been surprised to see Muslims being driven away from the party for ignoring a genocide being perpetrated with American weapons playing out across all our smartphones. Like, duh, of course they're not going to turn out.
  Here's the very expert they're quoting here warning the Democrats about it.
- There is almost no greater wedge issue that could have been used to shatter the left.
  
  Doesn't matter - their technique will always find the greatest wedge issue because they start by spreading insane amounts of shit and use monitoring to find which ones are gaining traction. All this is a guess, but it's such an obvious strategy that I'd be amazed if it wasn't how they're working.
  I'm from the U.K., so I was lucky enough to experience what I believe was a PoC of this technique during our referendum for PR voting. That time, there were two wedge issues: baby incubators and - I hope I'm getting this right because my memory is hazy - bullet-proof vests for soldiers. Neither of those things were remotely related to the question... but as soon as they started to gain traction, they were pushed hard. Brexit was more money for the NHS. With Jeremy Corbin, it was support for Palestine. With Kamela, it was lack of support of Palestine. None of it needs to make sense, so long as it works as a wedge.
  
  Yes, actual leftists oppose genocide.
  
  Made this months ago:
- The problem is, people aren't too receptive to being told they've been had.
  There are still a whole host of "both sides same" comments around these parts, so I'll try telling them they got duped next time I see one and we can do a case study.
  
  Update: it did not go well

Start recalling Republican Congress reps/sens if you really do regret it.

We told you so. I hope y'all chucklefucks enjoy the hell you've brought down on us all, because I have negative sympathy for you.

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Well, the good news is that the topic likely won’t be an issue anymore in 2028 for disrupting non-GOP candidates

Finally! On day 16 of 1460

"Expert" recites Democrat propaganda about blaming voters. Choir laps it up
Is this expert as expertly as Democrat campaign leaders?
- I don't think the expert is the problem here, during the election he wrote an opinion column titled "Democrats' Unquestioning Support of Israeli War Crimes Puts 2024 at Increasing Risk", it's just that this news source has decided there's more clicks in selling a "you didn't do anything wrong my dear white affluent college educated liberal readers, it was those stupid fucking brown people" narrative to the 1996 crime bill defenders of the world
- I love how in your opls minds the onus is always on the Dems to be perfect on every issue exactly how you want...or else you're gonna help the GOP win.
  Every fucking election you rubes let perfect be the enemy of good.
  
  Haha okay. Next time try telling Democrats to make concessions to voters. Voters are too stupid to understand the lesser evil you keep talking about :)
- You got duped!

Fuckem.

These experts are pretty smart, i guess.
Where were they during the election?
- He was warning the Democrats that ignoring the issue was dangerous.
  https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/gaza-genocide-polling-election-2024
- It looks like they were relegated to the fringes of media while the core of imperial media completely supports genocide.