Members of a women’s fishing team refuse to compete alongside trans teammate
Members of a women’s fishing team refuse to compete alongside trans teammate
They think trans women have an unfair advantage in... fishing...
They think trans women have an unfair advantage in... fishing?
Three members of an English women’s fishing team in England are refusing to compete at the world championships due to the fact that one of their own teammates is trans.
The Shore Angling World Championships will take place in Italy in November, and the board of the sport’s governing body, the Angling Trust, has said it will not prevent trans angler Becky Lee Birtwhistle Hodges from applying to compete.
I heard a similar story about a transwoman in esports..
You know that thing that is already not gender segregated to begin with
Magic Moonshot?
I don't know any specific names, I don't really follow that scene it was something my brother told me about, because I'm trans people and he wanted my opinion as a trans woman.
I told him that, yeah it was just as stupid as he thought, and that technically the Karens complaining were right..
In that, a transgender individual likely had an upbringing that is the opposite of the way they present now. Meaning that any transgender woman was likely a young boy who played Star Fox for Pokemon or whatever, at one point. So a transgender woman on average probably has an advantage over a cisgender woman when it comes to playing video games, but this Advantage is not biological in any way, and merely boils down to the average transgender woman being more likely to have prior experience than the average cisgender woman.
Which has the slight possibility of being a minor factor in a woman's only Esports League.
But only a minor one, and not one worth disqualifying anyone over, because there it isn't like there was this period of time where it was illegal for young girls to play video games just not very common. But there were also plenty of boys who didn't grow up playing video games, as the hobby has been a niche for most of its existence.
And even then the point is moot because Esports leagues are not segregated by gender in the first place, meaning any social gender-based advantage wouldn't even be a factor in how the game is judged or viewed.
Tl;dr
Transphobes do not give a shit about transgender women having some kind of magical advantage that comes with growing breasts later in life than the transgender woman in question would have wanted to. What transphobes are mad about is the fact that one of "them" is somewhere where the public the can see her, instead of at the back of the bus.
Women are at an unfair advantage when competing against men in fishing. History has shown that men almost always report larger than actual fish size. The discrepency is more pronounced the smaller the fish is. This bias in measurement has drifted over to penis size as well.
It would be funnier to leave the last part implied.
I never knew organized animal torture was a gendered pastime
When you put it that way it sounds significantly cooler
Can y'all just fuck off back to your hole. Jesus, why is lemmy overrun with shitty vegans now.
TERFs are the feminist equivalent of "fuck you, I've got mine". People that didn't have to go through the struggles of inclusion now excluding others.
Why is there an issue with 'trans' but not 'women's'? If they're going to divide up (exclude) sexes, perhaps make a 'trans' competition too.
Seriously. Do they think men have an advantage over women because it's normal for a dad to take his son fishing growing up? I really can't think of any other reason.
Women's sport is not necessarily about having a physical advantage. It can be the case that the sport is simply male dominated and then, especially when there's no physical reason, women may feel like it should be advertised to girls more. And that's what then leads them to organize women-only championships.
Women cannot cast a fishing line as far because they are too weak and clumsy. Also women cannot reel in a big fish as easily as a man could. Therefore it is necessary to give them a separate fishing league.
As u/madthumb has proven, that /s was in fact necessary.
Lol, nice troll. Casting is more about finesse.
In chess it made sense.
You only get better by playing higher quality opponents. And even today a lot of the male grandmasters won't play women unless forced to.
For fishing tho?
It makes no sense, there's not even skill involved with fishing, just luck on what bites.
So really, you should be asking why is anyone holding fishing tournaments
there's not even skill involved
I'm not even a fisherman but I know that comment would get you hung up by your nether regions from the nearest tree 😂
I am very much failing to see how the chess thing makes any sense...
It seems that the chess association that did that is operating from a sexist stance of "men are inherently more logical than women" which led to their transphobic stance of "trans women are not to play ciswomen"
Am I missing something? How does it make sense?
come on I am no master angler or anything but pretending skill can't affect your fishing outcome is nonsense.
I’ve been noticing a lot of female teams have been complaining about trans people competing with them, does anyone know what their problem is?
Trans exclusive radical feminism
A lot of it comes down to the perception of privilege. A lot of people believe that trans women basically have all of the privileges inherent to being an able-bodied cis man so their assumption of participation in a female centric space is to weild their privilege to unfair advantage....
However women's sport leagues fall into different reasons for existing. For some it is because of a perceived difference of physiology... In which case the issue is what original puberty the athlete went through. Technically if an athlete transitions early and never goes through male puberty at all you basically remove that issue.... But then people start being incensed that someone transitioned at 16 with the a-okay of an entire team of doctors, social workers, therapists and the blessings of the legal guardians. It is easier for them to just assume that there is no solution that allows fair inclusion on this front.
Or
The second type of league exists to combat a systematic rejection of women through treating them as novelties or inferiors. Nobody generally wants to do something for fulfillment, bragging rights or fun if it requires them to wade through being treated like a second class citizen. The exclusion of trans women from these communities assume that trans women do not experience the same forces of misogyny that drive cis women from sport and assumes trans women can just re-don all of their male privileges whenever they feel like... Something that doesn't really happen. From personal experience within the community trans women are often REALLY vulnerable to misogyny. They just freeze up and have no idea how to deal with it. They didn't get a training period where elder women assumed they were inexperienced and helped them learn how to deal or strategies how to stay safe or safe places to retreat to where they could find solidarity. A lot of them just stumble into danger with a lot of cis women just leaving them out to dry thinking they are innately strong enough to deal. The exclusion of trans women from these spaces takes a rather callous vein of every one removing all forms of solidarity from all sides of sport. The trans woman looking for a place to do something they are extremely passionate and talented in basically is told that she can either put up with being thrown into the misogyny heavy lions den and treated by all sides as novelty, a reason others can point to to discredit the rest of the needs of the trans community or just as a man (something that for a trans person causes a cascade of negative mental health effects) or she can disappear from the sport entirely...ignoring that similar situations are what caused a segregated woman's league to be established in the first place.
The first assumes male privilege of body fat and muscle distribution. The second assumes an intrinsic male social privilege remains relevant. A lot of people want to assert that a loss of male privilege isn't possible. It's just someone with it trying to angle for an unfair advantage rather than someone who just needs the solidarity of other people who lack privilege in a similar way they do.
coed sports are all inclusive, gendered sports should not be
Fish are extremely sensitive to pheromones, so very possible that differnt levels of hormones impact a fisherperson's ability to attract giant prehistoric fish
source: (youtbue documentarty on catching the worlds largest fish
Fucking lol #1 Marine biology source. Approved of by a trained and former marine biologist.
Even if so, it wouldn't be an issue if the person is on hrt, right? Speaking as a trans man on hrt, my hormones levels are the same as is normal for a cis man. I have no idea if it works the same for someone taking estrogen, though. Also I dunno anything about fish or fishing. So don't take my contribution too seriously lmao
OK, I may be wrong on this one, and I may have my inbox murdered for this, but I am on the fence here. No, not because I feel the trans woman has any advantages over the other women, but in a sport like fishing, or even esports, there are women's leagues because the men dominate the current participation rosters, have better sponsors and training and equipment and therefore make it exclusionary to women. Having a women's league promotes being more inclusive in the sport and creating a level (not fair, level) playing field for those who would typically not get the opportunity to compete.
I know this is further complicated by the fact that trans people are even more marginalized than women, and should therefore have more encouragement to participate in these competitions.
My view is that I would let the trans woman participate, I just also get the fact that some people may have reasonable feelings relating to why they feel this kind of thing does a disservice to them. But then there are other people who are just discriminatory assholes. I get that too.
This isn’t a facepalm. If they want to compete in a woman’s only tournament they should be allowed to want that.
Trans women are women, they were just born with imperfect bodies.
Next shall we ban small tits? Large labia? Bald girls?
Except when the whole point is getting women into the sport, and transwomen just dilute that message.
Huh? How does a woman participating in women's sport dilute the message that more women should get into sport?