3d ago

If you call out literal Russian propaganda (RT/Rumble) on .ml YOU'LL get the bans and comment removal, not the propaganda!

Source: https://lemmy.world/post/27276890/15949688

Modlog: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=13662309

Your account seems new @blueridge@feddit.nu, sorry you had to deal with this but this is what happens on the tankie instance that is .ml

Join the .ml boycott today! No posts, comments or upvotes on any .ml comms!

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Interesting, this news sound like propaganda yet they allowed it and removed your comment. Sometimes they act shady as fuck over there.
- Nothing really shady about it, it's quite obvious, they support Putin and his war against the world. Do they do it for free or because they're payed operatives remains unknown, but does it really matter at this point

I just don't understand why a marxist would cape for russia at any point in any form. Russia is MORE capitalist than even america, at least until this past January. Might as well defend pinochet since he also was a unitary executive.
Socialism is when no bread mfs look at russia like "that's pretty socialist!"
- The types of tankies you find on .ml are not so much Marxist as they are anti-USA (they'll call it anti-imperialist, nevermind the imperialism they're supporting)
  That means they'll support everyone that's anti-USA. They'll cheer for al-Qaeda as long as they're shouting "Death to America". And that's only slight hyperbole
  
  I don't even think it's slight hyperbole. They literally would in the literal sense of "literally".
- In the campist brain, Russia is geopolitically opposed to the USA empire, and therefore since USA is the greatest evil, we need to "critically support" their opponents.
  
  Is pro-China sentiment just campist?
  I have a sneaking suspicion they think the CCP are actually socialist/communist. And not some sort of authoritarian capitalism. Or “red” capitalism.
- Two faces of the same medal. People are brainwashed in taking sides. If you are not right-winged you are left-winged. They realize their government is shit and jump into the one of their enemies. Instead of study and think they conform to a model and feed on its circlejerk rejecting opposite views.
  Not everyone on .ml is foolish but their modlog can get really stupid
- No one does that. However educated people are capable of nuance and holding two things true at the same time , I think Russia is a horrible capitalistic hellhole and Putin a neocon right-winger . I still hope the fascist bunch of western supported nazis attempting to genocide eastern Ukrainians gets what they have coming. People with marxist background doesn't like you liberals does root for one of the different oligarchy camps.
  
  Had me the first half not gonna lie, but, remind me who exactly is actively invading East Ukraine?

Interesting. I had thought that instance was okay because when things like that happen, they are usually downvoted well into negative numbers. That’s the case in the example you linked to as well.But I never thought about the moderation problem.
- Yea that's how most feel, the rest of the Tankie Triad, Hex and Grad, are much more in your face about it.
  .ml aims for subtlety through admin and moderator action to avoid wider calls for defederation and also now that Lemmy is catching on to some degree, the main devs are letting the mask fall off on their "flagship" instance

Hah, I flagged that dick today because of all of the bullshit that they're posting. Clesr as day Russian propaganda.

Somehow I feel lemmy.ml got more extreme over the last two years. RT news is the official foreign propaganda channel of Russia, almost everybody knows this (at least in Europe)..
- long overdue to defederate
  lots of them have smurf accounts on other instances anyway these days
- Originally, .ml was the flagship instance for a fledgeling new software project, and the devs had to try and keep the mask on as much as they could for it to be a general purpose main instance. But over time that mask slipped, and users fled to other instances. Which means the only users left on .ml today are the fellow tankies. And knowing that, now they don't seem to try to hide it anymore.
  
  And the fact that it's run by the devs is a serious detriment. New users are going to take one look at it, and think Lemmy is tankie central. And the sane ones are going to leave.
  
  The annoying thing is there definitely are a subset of ML users who aren’t tankies. And just kind of obliviously joined that instance because it was recommended to them.
  My first lemmy account was on ML.
- It probably has, they've spent just the last almost 2 years or so of Lemmy-verse growth since the Reddit API debacle banning, censoring and ostracizing newcomers that didn't fit in with the tankie mindset
  They've become the echo chamber they always accuse .world/.ee/SJW of being
- I've noticed the same thing. I do think part of it is .ml has been accruing users from other, more widely defederated instances like lemmygrad and hexbear.
  Trolls want an audience, after all.
- Why dont you just fuck back to reddit then ? You do know that lemmy is the foss project of marxists? Might be happier at stormfront / reddit

I'm in this picture and was mildly amused. It is indeed a propaganda post and comments pointing that out seem to get deleted.
- Except for one that says it is balancing out other propaganda, as if that made it any better...

does lemmyMl have more reach beyond their own instance because they are developers? how can we be sure?
- I'd say, more tolerated. Because they're the devs, the lemmy.ml instance is considered the flagship instance.
  Where new features go live first, a number of official support communities are and because it was the first, the perception that they have some of the biggest comms
  The rest of the Tankie Triad (Grad and hex) don't have that so that's why they're pretty much widely defederated from, it's a much easier decision.
  I say perception, because the comms there are only the "biggest" by subscriber count. If you look at the statistics by monthly active users, it tells a much different story where only a single .ml comm breaks the top 15 comms Lemmy-verse wide
  
  I meant like capabilities to influence the platform as a whole, like backend stuff, potential censoring past their instance
- We are everywhere haha

The Russian war minister as world war one was breaking out thought it was going to be fought with sabers and wondered why other armies were teaching their men to fight with guns when they were so ungentlemanly
- This feels like it has to be an urban legend or taken out of context or something. Russia had been involved in heaps of massive wars using guns before WW1. Napoleonic Wars, Crimean War, 1877 Russo-Turkish War, and the Russo-Japanese War all involved shitloads of guns

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