NYT: Israel lied about deaths
NYT: Israel lied about deaths
I wonder when we see how many of the 1200 were shot from helicopters?
remember how hard zionists tried to sow doubt about the gaza health ministry when it slightly adjusted the initial estimate of the al-ahli hospital strike death toll since it took until the next day to match up the pieces of the victims?
It's the only actual "example" the NYT gave in this article for why we should be doubting "Hamas-controlled health ministry" numbers:
Some uncertainty has been sowed by the varying figures that Gazan health officials initially gave to reporters for the number of people killed in the Oct. 17 explosion at Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza, which ranged from 500 to 833 before they announced a final count of 471.
There are still no videos of that rave next to the military base that is right next to the concentration camp. Hamas people had their own GoPros and Israel has lots of cameras everywhere. My guess is they aren't releasing anything because Israel killed the vast majority of the civilians there. But Israel's strategy works, each new lie (like 40 beheaded babies, we didn't bomb that hospital that one time etc.) spreads through the Western political system and the media, is used to justify war crimes and then gets quietly retracted weeks later.
There were a couple videos early on from that trance festival. I never saved any and haven't looked hard enough to find them again - I suspect most are still on telegram. The one that was longest and stood out to me was security or IOF in black uniforms surrounded by dozens of festival goers laying on the ground, all using scrub brush bushes to hide, there is no gunfire, then the 2-3 black clad security or IOF guys get up and start shooting handguns in one direction. So they're drawing fire from guys with rifles while surrounded by unarmed hidden festival goers, with no actual cover just concealment.
This is about the security guards with guns video, the original was removed, they have a download link to it in a later comment:
https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/2704441
This is the video of a tank at the rave:
https://x.com/TKMarx/status/1711879624223858850?s=20
This is a testimony of a zionist claiming they were organizing fighting against the militants:
I think that last link helps dispel the idea that it was a wholesale massacre of innocents.
beheaded babies count: 0 (-40 since last update)
And at least half were soldiers
And a good chunk were IDF Apache gunships strafing with 30mm autocannon fire crowded highways filled with civilian vehicles. Blows my mind that the Israeli military did a reenactment of the iconic WikiLeaks "collateral murder" Apache gunship flight recorder video on their own citizens multiple times in one day. Hamas launches an attack and Israeli helicopter gunship crews just lose their shit on a scale i can't recall having happened anywhere else at any other time. Professional military my ass, bunch of bottom of the barrel idiots armed with hundreds of billions of dollars in top of the line US military hardware.
So that’s
(1,200 / 1,400) * 159/11s, which comes out to12.85714285719/11s.imagine what the headlines would be like if the gazan health ministry did this. the media would erupt into "HAMAS IS LYING HAMAS IS LYING!!". but israel lied, so its perfectly fine and no cause for alarm for them.
So how many 9/11s was it?
Of the 1200 Israelis who were killed on October 7, at least 31 are confirmed to be children according to the UN. That accounts for 2.5 (two and a half) percent.
Of the 11000 Palestinians who were killed by Israel since October 7, at least 4500 are confirmed to be children. That accounts for 41 percent.
https://www.ochaopt.org/sites/default/files/Gaza_casualties_info-graphic_10_Nov_2023 final.pdf
Unkkkle Sam: OK but have you considered they were combatants?
Shoot, I left my conversion calculator at home. How many 9/11s does this put us at?
are there third party neutral observers counting? I'm just stumped as to why they would admit that, why not lie, why not adjust it up, it's not like that would be beyond the pale.
Because 1400 was the original estimate and now that they've had time to actually count everyone they've lowered it. Its not like anyone on the Palestinian side was claiming the number was inflated. If you replace every instance of Israeli propaganda citing the 1400 with 1200 nothing changes so there's no reason to lie about it. If the new estimate was something like 700 there's no chance they'd be admitting it.
When you've lost the New York Fucking Times on Israel...
This isn't a lie by Israel. Show this article to someone who doesn't have a firm stance on the war and they'll say it makes complete sense to have a final body count be slightly off from the initial estimate. This happens with every war or disaster.
The best take here is by @windowlicker@hexbear.net: if the Gazan Health Ministry did this exact same normal thing, the headline would be about how this is lies and propaganda, even though it's normal.