Quack makes a Swift escape

Greta Thunberg made the trip to the US for some climate summin via sailboat. Not to show that it can be done - but to show how absolutely impractical it is. Climate action cannot be about individual responsibility - sometimes we need private jets.

So the rational action would be to start a massive development effort to develop jets that are slower and run on hydrogen fuel cells or something. And find ways to generate hydrogen fuel without carbon. And then distribute and regulate jets.

But that's basically a planned economy, a taboo word to think or say in mainstream. Instead any small advancement is patented which raises the cost of it to maximize profit.

So no, pointing out Taylor's swift as hypocrite is not a good point, it is indeed propaganda to avoid sensible action on climate change. Of course it's way to late now so it doesn't really matter any more.

Ootl what's going on and why are people talking about Taylor Swift like she's a political el nino?

The problem I have with the "hypocrisy" argument is that, here, it's used as a cheap attack on the messenger.

As in the old meme:

(poor peasant doing labor: "we should improve society somewhat", grinning contemporary person: "yet you participate in society, curious! I am very intelligent.")

I can accept it when influential people, even those that cause a whole lot of emissions themselves, advocate for climate programs. We won't get anywhere if, whoever wants to talk about the environment, first has to become a cave dweller and give up their reach before they're allowed to speak up.

On the other hand, when Fox News, a channel that generally panders to the coal lobby, car industry and oil barons, suddenly becomes concerned about someone's CO2 emissions just to serve up another smear, that is hypocrisy, plain and simple.

Until now, Faux News were ridiculing people talking about climate change.

The problem we have with Faux News is their 'reporting' history and their hypocrisy.

Exhibit A of Republican pretending to care about hypocrisy or a Democrat that fell for Republican propaganda.

Then let Faux News explain why hypocrisy is bad.

Since when do they care about moral values like not being a hypocrite?

The problem Fox News have with Taylor Swift isnt her carbon emissions, it is her hypocrisy.

I mean, no. If she didn't fly on a private jet, they'd find something else to ding her on. Their problem with her is that she's not entirely on their side.

When she’s on tour, the jet when she’s touring on serves the entertainment of lots of people, not just her. In the same way a venue does. When divided among lots of people it’s meaningless fraction of the transportation of the audience.

I also think worrying about a few people is a way to discredit climate change concerns.

Regulations and investing in better energy sources are what matters. I don’t give a fuck about a few rich fucks with yachts and airplanes. I care about policy and how society distributes resources and energy.

All aviation accounts for less than 2% of emissions. Private jets are a tiny fraction of that. But now we’re talking about that instead of the actual issue. This serves climate change deniers. This serves the Republican agenda, and the pertrol agenda. You’re doing that right now.

Yeah, but the strawman is nicer for me to believe cause I hate fox news

Thanks for making that network seem even marginally more sane – truly not easy to do!

I would accept that as a rationale only if they also held regressives to the same standards that regressives are pretending to have. There are no Fox News segments like, "allegedly 'pro-life' Texas Repubs urge for entangling humans in razor wire, extrajudicial executions by drowning."

But actually, what they're doing is ad hominem. This is not, "Swift is behaving contrary to her message and needs to stop," it is, "Swift is behaving contrary to her message and therefore climate change is a global hoax so that 'they' can force you to eat bugs and have an electric car with a remote shutoff."

It is ad-hominem to start with and hypocrisy and propaganda all the way down to the core. Fox News in a nutshell.

You don't get to pick and choose what Fox News has said in the past. Their position is that climate change is vastly exaggerated and largely a hoax, and depending who you talk to they might have a stronger view.

You don't get to forget what they said in the past and present and choose a totally new position, where the main focus is on hypocrisy. Because if Fox News believes what it has said for the last 20 years, then the actual reasoning is that Taylor Swift is acting hypocritically but it's irrelevant. In other words, if they want to have integrity they would need to undercut their own story.

You personally are free to have a position that purely focuses on hypocrisy if you haven't already made public statements on climate change. But Fox News is stuck with positions it has already endorsed and continues to endorse. I mean we know that Fox News has no credibility but if you thought that they should, then this is something they can't avoid.

And what about theirs?

How so?

Without context this link is just bad. Plant growth will not reduce CO2 levels because biosphere is temporary store or carbon (since it is a part of the carbon cycle)

We are putting carbon (into the atmosphere) that was previously buried. So putting a tiny bit of it back into plants doesn't help because:

• those plants will die and release the carbon back
• the number of plants added is inconsequential compared to the deforestation
• the number of plants needed to offset additional carbon is humongous

I'll just downvote you here

see? This is why I've never believed shits like Al Gore or anyone like him. They keep saying the end of the world will be at whatever time because of global warming, and then that time passes and we're still here.

Al Gore said there wouldn't be any ice in the polar regions by 2013. And we've passed a few more predictions that didn't happen regarding climate change since then as well.

If the sea levels are going to rise as much as the shitlibs say they will, why are there new houses being build on beachfronts all the time?

Obviously something weird is going on with the weather and the climate, but no one can find any objective information about climate change because most outlets are either funded by the oil companies or they're funded by groups that want us all to eat bugs and live in tiny houses while they fly around in private jets dozens of times a day.