Anything that doesn't devolve into "us vs. them", doesn't matter who "us" and "them" is.
The fediverse was designed to let every instance or even every user decide for themselves who they want to interact with. There is no need to persuade others to use the fediverse the same way you do. A few months ago I wrote a blog post about why my personal single-user instance wouldn't defederate from corporate-run instances as long as they play by the rules, with the clear intent to defederate if they do things that harm the way I interact with the fediverse. People got outright vile, called me names and tried to convince me that any tiny interaction with anyone they don't like would inevitably lead to the death of the free fediverse.
Personally I would rather have federated social media based on an open protocol where every user can decide what's the best way to interact with content than being forced into proprietary platforms just to get updates from my favorite video game studio, streamer or artist. It may well be that there are people on the fediverse who exclusively want to interact with vegan FOSS communist hippies and that's fine. But I'm not one of those people and I don't see why they should decide how I run my instance or get mad at me about something that doesn't affect them at all.
Let's all be as tolerant as we claim we are and treat people (and instances) based on their deeds and not based on how similar they are to ourselves.
The middle one! I think for-profit and non-profit solutions can co-exist and benefit off each other :)
As long as the advertisers and corporate bullshit stays on the for-profit solutions and doesn't start bleeding into everything else, this is fine. Hopefully they'll act as a wick and draw the corporate interests to themselves.
Luckily I do not think they will be able to add Ads to federated posts since ads need to be explicitly disclosed, and that means they can be easily blocked even at the server level
Agreed! I'm always nervous about EEE, but this is one of those cases where if they do try to modify the protocol, we all collectively tell them to fuck right off. They're here on our turf, we don't need them at all. They want to play nice in their own corner? Fine. They start misbehaving, sending ads, trying to change things? Pass, defederated.
Hopefully. The thing about social platforms is that if everyone else leaves and doesnt tell them to fuck right off, it can get lonely. Xmpp still exists and im sure some people use it successfully, but its definitely not the same scale it once was
I don't think it's accurate and actually a bit disingenuous to lump WordPress and Flipboard together with Facebook/Threads, because these entities behave drastically differently, Flipboard and Wordpress are sharing their content with others on the Fediverse (plus wordpress is hosted software, people can run their own versions of it independently) without trying to compromise and manipulate users, Facebook is trying to recruit Fediverse users onto their platforms, that's why they're doing one-way Federation and banning Keywords related to Fediverse related platforms. To say "iT'S All cOrPOrATe" is ignoring these key facts, which is why I say it seems disingenuous.
Bad instances are going to be a struggle always, that's just the nature of a federated network, there will always be bad actors, compromised nodes, and malicious users that we have to deal with, that's never going to end no matter what happens. Even if it becomes infrequent it'll still always happen.
Well, but that's what people around the Fedipact are doing. And probably, this is a fraction of the Fediverse that is going to stay
Corporate Instances versus Open Fediverse
corporate vs. free, then zoom into free and vs. bad instances. we still need something like TheBadSpace to help with safety and moderation.
That's true! Updated the image.
thread's bad everyone else good*
(not counting trolls and n##i instances
That could actually be a forth category, but what's the argumentation? Because Threads is a monopoly?
No wait, I think it doesn't. Because other instances will federate with Threads and because of this, it doesn't make sense to block Threads permanently.
I came up in the 90’s.
Give me that wild Wild West again.
Fourth panel, meaning Corporate & Tankie Fediverse vs Free Fediverse.
Fourth panel. AI trained on all the above, floods it all with generated content rendering the signal-to-noise ratio too terrible to tolerate, even for corporations.
Open fediverse and bad instances
I'll be honest, I never think about it. That's such a minor and non-relevant issue to have in my life, I can get to that once everything else works for a change. :'(
2nd.
