chapotraphouse @hexbear.net SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them] @hexbear.net 4 mo. ago

More than like half our site taglines are from lemmy liberals mad hexbear doesn't have trump derangement syndrome and hates Biden too lol

The one that can't decide if we're right or far-right, just average cracker things.

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"horseshoe theory" is really just liberals calling us liberals
- Horseshoe theory, more like horseshit theory
  
  'Round these parts we call it horsepoo theory
- So Hexbear really is full of liberals then
- I like how "horseshoe theory" is just libs refusing to admit that the vast majority of people don't agree with them, and the people to the left and right of them have a couple of views in common.
  
  Even then that's not really true. Leftists and chuds/reactionaries identify the same problems caused by contradictions of capitalism and so forth but describe completely different solutions. Like, right wing people and leftists are both upset about illegal immigration, but reactionaries are upset because something something takin our jerbs and doing crime and leftists are upset that borders exist, thay they are enforced by violence, that undocumented immigrants are extremely vulnerable to violence and exploitation, and that the system intentionally puts people in that position to make everyone's lives worse except the exploiters
The one that can't decide if we're right or far-right

If they can't come to either conclusion they just dehumanize us and call us Russian/Chinese bots

Libs stay mad
- Yeah all these taglines just prove we short their brains out so they default to BOTS BOTS BOTS
- I remember seeing a post on reddit where someone said something like "In Russia, liberalism is seen as right wing in contrast to their former communism, so Russian imposters get confused and call right wing user liberals and liberals right wing"
I'm longposting and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

It really is quite the coup, a cultural victory for liberalism and conservative values that there are a ton of people who think they understand politics because they plug into a few places, like the cable news giants and places like NYT, and the associated internet sphere. Like, they obviously don't have any of it in fact. If you try to discuss politics with any depth, setting aside any kind of marxist tendencies I have - just discussing politics, morality, philosophy - how unread everyone is. Like, the ignorance of the average liberal is profound. When they do read, it's the people that are allowed to be platformed on those media outlets, so nothing that doesn't already confirm their own worldview, and nothing of any intellectual substance - anything that might confer intellectual rigor is mysteriously absent (it's so those on the lower rungs economically are not empowered to realize liberals are taking them for a fucking ride).

There is a caste of them that know exactly what they are - they hold identities that the far right desires to exterminate, or they have loved ones in that category, but are otherwise deeply conservative people. They may or may not be in denial about that, but that denial doesn't change anything. Their empathy extends exactly as far as where their own self interest lies - but these aren't even the norm - the norm are people who think they can navigate politics with nothing but their own reckoning and the slurry of bad takes and platformed liberalism, along with the conditioning they're fed to distrust anything outside of that bubble - they're conditioned to stay in place and never actually challenge their own views - to take it for granted they've got it figured out already.

Liberals get uniquely gassed up by their media to feel like the smartest, biggest adult in the room, which is a position that, as a feature, does not require self reflection, introspection, or further education. You're already at the apex, the only thing left to do is force other people to receive your Maddowian Wisdom, and it would be funny if it wasn't actively choking off left-wing inroads into popular culture and (more importantly) political gains - electoral and otherwise.

The far right leans into messaging that weaponizes and even exalts ignorance - and where it has any intellectual investment - is spent similarly exalting their big boys - but seeing as this cohort is expressly an enemy, they're an uncomplicated problem to deal with. Liberalism, on the other hand, is an active menace to the left, and in tandem with infiltration/suppression, is the main weapon in preventing any meaningful political gains by the left.

It fucking sucks. But if you want to tear them down, you kind of need to start with the ways in which they make themselves intellectually unassailable. Most aren't open to it, but I've managed to radicalize more than a few - it just takes work and patience.
- The media also glazes up their naivete as a virtue. The system does work, it just takes time. Our institutions are good, trust them. Those bad things that people are doing in our country isn't a reflection of the country, we are better than that. In many ways there is no distinction between the belief in American Exceptionalism from a democrat or a republican.
  
  The reason liberalism is such a threat to the left is because it wraps itself in a facade of humanitarian concern. They are concerned for the immigrant, the Palestinian, the trans-youth, and so on. Of course we can't stop any of the bad things happening to them and in most cases will quietly work to make them worse. But they care. They think about it. Sometimes they even go to events and cry over these issues. They pay their suffering tax like indulgences for their sins. Then they use the receipts for that in order to hamstring the left.
  
  Anyways, never give them an inch. Never concede they care more, are less racist, homophobic, transphobic, genocidal, you name it. They aren't. You aren't opposing genocide if you vote for people who enable it. You aren't opposing transphobia if you are voting for people who do nothing about it. The list goes on. Always hit back harder. Accuse. Blame. They will offer you no quarter and will circle the moment they smell blood.
- You're already at the apex, the only thing left to do is force other people to receive your Maddowian Wisdom
  
  could be a site tagline?
  
  although...
  
  I'm longposting and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
  
  may be better
We regularly say “cracker” the same way /pol/ uses every other slur, this is one of the most lgbt friendly places on the internet and this site got me start reading actual theory. Right now I’m reading Settlers if anyone is curious.
- You misspelled "craKKKer"
- Aye... what's something thought provoking about it? A data? A quote?
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- But I can't come back to Hexbear until I can go even further beyond.
  
  You better start training then, because we could use a SSJ3 on our side.
its beautiful never change it

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