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This is one of the greatest examples of virtue signaling I think I have ever seen. I'll ask three questions. If you can answer all three, I think the problem with this is very obvious.
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Who among these countries do you think would be responsible for footing the bill on this one?
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Which of these countries is currently the greatest contributor of global humanitarian aid the world has ever known?
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What is stopping any of these countries from banding together without the US and making their beautiful dream a reality without this pointless resolution?
Smear campaigns work better when they're not completely transparent.
- Their own.
- Norway.
- The US.
EDIT: Yeah, you're right. It is obvious.
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I refer to #3, why don't they just do it then?
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I didn't say per capita. You love that oil money don't you?
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Yes, the US is purposely starving the world.
You're lying to yourself and everyone else. Stop being a bad person.
Yes, the US is purposely starving the world.
Yep. I doubt you'll care to read the following but I'm putting it here for others to see.
The United States is the world leader in imposing economic sanctions and supports sanctions regimes affecting nearly 200 million people. ... Targeted countries experience economic contractions and, in many cases, are unable to import sufficient essential goods, including essential medicines, medical equipment, infrastructure necessary for clean water and for health care, and food. ... While on paper most sanctions have some humanitarian exemptions for food, necessary medicines and medical supplies, in practice these exemptions are not sufficient to ensure access to these goods within the targeted country. (Center for Economic and Policy Research)
It's well known that sanctions are ineffective for pressuring governments, but very effective at waging siege warfare by starving and killing ordinary citizens by disease and infrastructural failures. Continuing to use sanctions in this way and to this extent, when this is well known, is definitely "purposely starving the world". An independent expert appointed by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights said in 2019 that US sanctions violate human rights and international code of conduct and can lead to starvation. Why does the US continue to be the world leader in imposing sanctions, increasing its use of sanctions by 933% over the last 20 years, when this is well known? It's because they know the effect, and they're doing it on purpose.
We can also look at some US internal memorandums from before it was more politically incorrect to talk about starving people in other countries. In 1960, U.S. officials wrote that creating "disenchantment and disaffection based on economic dissatisfaction and hardship" through denying money and supplies to Cuba would be a method they should pursue in order to "bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government" in Cuba.
In other countries, we see a pattern of US officials and US-backed institutions purposely denying aid and loans to governments they don't approve of, and then suddenly approving aid and opening up loans when a coup brings a leader they're happy with into power. When Ghana was requesting aid under an administration that the West's bourgeoisie didn't like, U.S. officials said this: "We and other Western countries (including France) have been helping to set up the situation by ignoring Nkrumah’s pleas for economic aid. The new OCAM (Francophone) group’s refusal to attend any OAU meeting in Accra (because of Nkrumah’s plotting) will further isolate him. All in all, looks good." The "situation" they were helping to set up was a coup they knew was going to happen. After a US-friendly coup took place, suddenly it was time to give the "almost pathetically pro-Western" government a gift of "few thousand tons of surplus wheat or rice", knowing that giving little gifts like this "whets their appetites" for further collaboration with the US. You will find the same song and dance in numerous other countries, Chile being a well-documented example, if you simply look for it.
The US imposes starvation and depravation of other countries on purpose, using it as an economic wrecking ball, then pats itself on the back for giving "aid" to the countries which have been hollowed out by such tactics.
The loans which magically become available to countries that meet the US approval standards are not so pretty either, as a former IMF senior economist said, he may only hope "to wash my hands of what in my mind's eye is the blood of millions of poor and starving peoples", there not being "enough soap in the world" to wash away what has been done to the global south through the calculated fraud of the IMF, whose tactics are designed to accomplish the same kind of goals as the sanctions are--to prevent the economic rise of any country but the US by wrecking its competitors economically, tearing apart their local manufacturing capacity and transforming them into mere resource extraction projects, redirecting their agricultural industries into exports to make sure they reach a level where they are more reliant on imports to feed themselves, and reliant on foreign aid which is ripped away whenever they do not do what the US approves of or make friends with who the US wants them to.
I refer to #3, why don’t they just do it then?
This is what secondary sanctions and the US's various protection rackets have always been designed to prevent, which has definitely been a powerful tool for them, but it seems with the rise of the new non-aligned movement and de-dollarization its becoming a less successful one and we can see countries "just doing" what they want more and more while the US leadership waves around, as usual, more sanctions and military threats in response.
Thank you. As you said, even if the person you responded to didn't read it, there are us comrades that will learn from it.
Well lets hear it @BossColo@lemmy.sdf.org
unless you were talking out your ass because it just "feels like we wouldn't do bad stuff like that cause we're the good guys!"
You're lying to yourself and everyone else. Stop being a bad person.
BossColo has already responded to this (external link to sdf.org). But was banned by lemmygrad, so you can't see it.
What an answer. Sources as a paragraph 22, prasing the benevolence of USA, "others are worse" and straight up artifical starvation apologia.
hahahahaha
The USA starves the world because desperate and hungry people are easier to exploit. Starving people and preventing people from getting accessible food serves their corporate interest because they can keep rising food prices.
Then why the hell is the US the largest contributor of global humanitarian aid? They're not just evil right? They're even bad at being evil.
Your life must be so simple. Never had to form a complex thought, eh?
Then why the hell is the US the largest contributor of global humanitarian aid?
It's not lmao
They aren't.
Your life must be so simple. Never had to form a complex thought, eh?
The level of projection is real. It must be so simple for you to just follow the status quo right? Just have to keep your head empty and mindlessly repeat state department talking points. No commie propaganda can enter if you keep filing your skull with imaginary accomplishments and a constant reminder that being American definitely makes you very, very, special.
I literally have this link bookmarked for dipshits like you.
Aid in reverse: how poor countries develop rich countries
We have long been told a compelling story about the relationship between rich countries and poor countries. The story holds that the rich nations of the OECD give generously of their wealth to the poorer nations of the global south, to help them eradicate poverty and push them up the development ladder. Yes, during colonialism western powers may have enriched themselves by extracting resources and slave labour from their colonies – but that’s all in the past. These days, they give more than $125bn (£102bn) in aid each year – solid evidence of their benevolent goodwill.
This story is so widely propagated by the aid industry and the governments of the rich world that we have come to take it for granted. But it may not be as simple as it appears.
The US-based Global Financial Integrity (GFI) and the Centre for Applied Research at the Norwegian School of Economics recently published some fascinating data. They tallied up all of the financial resources that get transferred between rich countries and poor countries each year: not just aid, foreign investment and trade flows (as previous studies have done) but also non-financial transfers such as debt cancellation, unrequited transfers like workers’ remittances, and unrecorded capital flight (more of this later). As far as I am aware, it is the most comprehensive assessment of resource transfers ever undertaken.
What they discovered is that the flow of money from rich countries to poor countries pales in comparison to the flow that runs in the other direction.
In 2012, the last year of recorded data, developing countries received a total of $1.3tn, including all aid, investment, and income from abroad. But that same year some $3.3tn flowed out of them. In other words, developing countries sent $2tn more to the rest of the world than they received. If we look at all years since 1980, these net outflows add up to an eye-popping total of $16.3tn – that’s how much money has been drained out of the global south over the past few decades. To get a sense for the scale of this, $16.3tn is roughly the GDP of the United States.
What this means is that the usual development narrative has it backwards. Aid is effectively flowing in reverse. Rich countries aren’t developing poor countries; poor countries are developing rich ones.
Foreign aid from the West is literally a scam to cover up vast flows of money and resources away from the developing world and towards developed countries. It is the equivalent of the Gates' of the world donating 0.00000001% of their daily income to charity and the media getting on their knees and fellating them for it. And, as others have said, even the absolutely paltry sums of money donated in foreign aid by the West merely ends up back in the hands of their own investors, because developing countries exist merely as debt peons to be endlessly harvested, without meaningfully developing them.
This is the face of modern imperialism.
It's PR to fool people like you. The US is a fucking cancer, and even their foreign aid is mostly used to employ US citizens and to perform PR for image conscious billionaires. I actually work in foreign aid and it disgusts me how much of the budgets we are assigned goes straight back to Western companies.
The USA is the most evil country in the world. No other country comes close it. And most of the “aid” goes back to the same pockets of the investors who give it, but now it is all tax free. Just check out all the tax evasion for millionaires that the Gates Foundation and many others have done! The USA fucks over every single country, especially poor ones!
https://english.news.cn/20220923/c3265b00ba9d4538a25e35060b3103e5/c.html
You have to be so fucking shitlib to acknowledge that USA provide humanitarian aid to some country without any ulterior motives. They are not just aids but debt traps, that those countries repay by giving USA the access to their country's resources and market at any cost. And if those countries don't comply then USA starts providing more aid to groups opposit to govt and ultimately topple the govt.
Then why the hell is the US the largest contributor of global humanitarian aid?
That would be China, buttercup.
China is #1 raw numbers and Norway is #1 per capita
You might be interested in this article
I think that you might have shared the wrong article, comrade
I did not. The US purposefully starved my people. I don't see that as a great contribution to global aid.
good fucking god I had no clue the extinction of the buffalo was another thing purposefully pushed by the Amerikkkan state. Legitimately cartoon level villains of history
And they have the absolute gall to blather on about how communism kills. The propaganda is infuriating.
best case scenario they're clueless about Amerikkka's crimes (or at least the extent), normally it's just the good ole racism
The amerikkkan genocide of the indigenous (along with Jim Crow South) were direct inspirations for a certain axis leader.
Oh im well aware of that, it’s just that I thought the extinction of the buffalo was more of an accident than literally a casualty of Amerikkka’s genocide
Oh, my bad. I see what you mean now.
The solipsism is sounding here. The world was not always as it is now. Conquest was the way the world worked for a very long time. You think these people had any concept of the damage they were doing? All you have to do is take the one extra conceptual step. Don't be so lazy.
“Kill every buffalo you can! Every buffalo dead is an Indian gone”
Oh, they knew.
You know full well that they had no idea what damage they were doing to the ecosystem. If you're going to argue, do it in good faith.
They knew damn well what they were doing, this is basically genocide apologia. Arguing in good faith, they say while blatantly ignoring what the settlers were doing.
Cracker apologetics get me fucked up every time.
The US has committed multiple genocides.
You were just indoctrinated by it's propaganda to believe they haven't.
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Even in the earliest days of European colonialism, there was very much a concept of the damage being done, look up Bartolomé de las Casas and educate yourself.
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If they had, why isn't the world completely fed? Surely if every other country donated half their GDP, then the world is solved.
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Developmental aid is not humanitarian aid. Maybe learn, instead of googling for facts that support your position, then trying to pass them off as your own ideas. Have you ever read a book?
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History has context, leave your bubble just for a second and try to be more than a parrot. I wish you could see the absurdity of mentioning China's nation building efforts, then citing this article at me. You're clearly a stooge. Congratulations.
- Because shit happens. Why isn't everyone in the US fed? Half of your GDP should surely feed the people.
- I read in a book once that if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach him to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.
- You're a fucking idiot.
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Because saying that people need food doesn't magically put it in their mouths. It's nice that you believe a UN resolution would though.
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How would you split it? Just fuck the natural disaster victims, right?
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You've really proven your intellect with this one.
- we literally pay farmers to destroy food - enough food to feed every starving person in the country. we do so solely to prop up the ag lobby.
the rest of your post makes no sense.
The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit—and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains.
And the smell of rot fills the country.
Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.
There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate—died of malnutrition—because the food must rot, must be forced to rot.
The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.
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Yes, the US is purposely starving the world.
Unironically yes. While the US is particularly fond of bombs and drones, another favourite weapon of theirs is starving the countries of people who have the audacity to disagree with them. See: Cuba*, DPRK. As a bonus, they even get to blame the countries they are starving for the lack of food.
Not even only other countries, the US is happy to do it to their own people because the hungry are easier to exploit. The US has an absolute staggering amount of food waste, it is the largest component of most US landfills. They'd sooner throw away food before giving it to the needy. In many cases, they will punish you for giving it to the needy (see the charitable organizations repeatedly fined in Texas for feeding the homeless).
*Incidentally this exact same map can be used for countries voting to end the US sanctions of Cuba.
Take a look at what uralsolo had to say. The US is starving the world by forcing them to grow certain crops. And you say the US is starving the world by not trading with them. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
Here is what uralsolo had to say:
How this operates varies between regions
(Of course, emphasis mine)
Right, but you can't have it both ways. Are countries better off of their agriculture is dictated, or not? Why is it the responsibility of the US?
USA is shit. No one gives any responsibility to US. US can't even take the responsibility of their own people. Because if it could, there won't be so much deaths due to health care system failure in COVID. You have to be so bright bourgeois ass licker to ignore any thing critical to US, so shamelessly.
My dude, please read the Wikipedia article on Food Sovereignty, it might answer some of your (very legitimate and in good faith) questions
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I'm sure China would abide by this if it passed. This is definitely not a bad faith argument.
Do you have anything to say other than completely unfounded claims based on nationalistic nonsense?
Fair, I shouldn't have speculated like that. However, my argument is that the whole vote was a charade. If China knew the US was going to veto this, then their vote is meaningless.
This isn't the security council, or anywhere else, where the U.S. has veto rights. This (the Third Committee) seems to run on "majority yes" voting (i.e. if enough vote yes, it is adopted).
Then I ask again, what was the point of this vote?
Why do you think this vote was so useless? Is it because US voted No?
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" foreign aid is when the poor people of a rich country give money to the rich people of a poor country." Myths of "Humanitarian" Intervention
CONTRARY TO POPULAR belief, U.S. leaders are no different from those of most other countries in that they have a dismal humanitarian record.
True, many nations including this one have sent relief abroad in response to particular disasters.But these sporadic actions are limited in scope, do not represent an essential policy commitment, and obscure the many occasions when governments choose to do absolutely nothing for other peoples in dire straits.
In addition, most U.S. aid missions serve as pretexts for hidden political agendas. They are intended to bolster conservative procapitalist regimes, build infrastructures (roads, ports, office complexes) that assist big investors, lend a cover for counterinsurgency programs, and undermine local agrarian self-sufficiency by driving independent farmers off lands that are then taken over by corporate agribusiness.
Every time I forget just how bad the U.S. is, I am reminded "death to amerikkka".
"Answer my questions three if the bridge you want pass 🤓"
Virtue signalling is when you think people starving is bad and the more you think people starving is bad the more virtue signallinger it is
I don’t understand why everybody is downvoting you. It’s a well known fact that throughout its 247 years of existence, the United States has literally never committed a single atrocity. I’m not saying the United States is perfect; maybe it committed an atrocity or two a couple of times, but nothing that was a big deal.
There are the Indian Residential fake school genocide that continued after the Cold War, the subjugation of communities of freed slaves, the Black Wall Street massacre, the Cold War massacre against a mass of peaceful workers who demand meritocracy on the excuse that human rights advocate are evil Soviet agents, and the current planned illegal dumping of hazardous landfills and industrial chemical waste (which contains components of the chemical weapons by British in WW1) onto to the lands of First Nations and African American communities to poison the water and food sources.
No big deal. Everybody makes mistakes.
slavery? never happened. native genocide? when did the settlers kill each other?
Would you look at that: a brainless NPC wandered into the thread. You're even more confidently wrong than the average redditor. That's almost impressive.
Lucky for you, I think I'm done now. No one's gonna make you use that paper weight you call your head.
That was such a weak comeback 😂. I think your circuits got fried from too much computation, you bot.
Accusing such an illogical user of being a bot is an insult to all bots!
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They were banned
I fucking love federation goddamn lololol
Thank you to all the [heksagonale bjørne] that are making my day much better.
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Only about 2.
US doesn't have 'aid', they call it 'aid' but is usually corruption money or loan.
For example, take a look at what is Ukraine getting. Not aid, most of it is some kind of loan.
I think definition of aid is that they don't own anything in return, but US is not using it like that.
Hilarious that some of the assets up for privatisation are in Russian-controlled territory. Truly another level of grift
Most of it is in the Metaverse
Sign me up
You can see a map of all the assets they've already sold here: https://privatization.gov.ua/mapa-ob-yektiv/
Best part about it is that they're literally selling property that is inside the regions Russia annexed and currently holds 🤣
I want to know what the deal is with that one property they're selling in Bulgaria lol
most of it is some kind of loan.
$100B in
money
You ever wonder why the United States is wealthy while other countries are not? Unequal Exchange and Neocolonialism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjLmYCfKU7o
Also this thread is a good summary: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1493599447904931847.html
In 2015, the North’s net appropriation from the South included:
- 12 billion tons of embodied raw material equivalents
- 822 million hectares of embodied land
- 21 Exajoules of embodied energy
- 188 million person-years of embodied labour
To put these figures in perspective:
- 12 billion tons of raw material equivalents is 43% of the North’s annual material consumption. In other words, nearly half of the North’s material consumption is net appropriated from the South.
- 822 million hectares of land (more than twice the size of India), would in theory be enough to provide nutritious food for up to 6 billion people, depending on land productivity and diet.
- 21 Exajoules of energy would be enough to cover the annual energy requirements of building infrastructure to ensure that all 6.5 billion people in the global South have access to decent housing, public transport, healthcare, education, sanitation, communication, etc.
In other words, all of this productive capacity could be used to provide for local human needs, but instead it is roped into servicing capital accumulation in the North. Patterns of net appropriation reproduce deprivation in the South.
What bill needs to be footed? The vote was to make food a right, not force a single country to pay for the cost of food. Please learn to read and understand what you are reading. Worrying about a non-existent "bill" is purely ideological.
That is what right wingers do. They get too emotional to read and they argue to death based on their own created misinformation.
This is what children do, they look for a boogie man and demonize them without evidence.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Sounds exactly like what you are doing. The lack of awareness is unreal.
Like you have any idea of what you are talking about.
Bhosadike! American Chaddi.
Then what's the point? Why even have this vote? Could it be that they're trying to signal how virtuous they are?
The point is to limit the ability of multinational corporations, and the countries that act as their muscle, to create famines though prioritizeing exports and price gouging. This makes food something that people have a right to, rather than a commodity that should be sold only to whom it can make the most profit from. Check out what happened to push bottled water over public water fountains.
Have you learned anything from these comments and responses you've gotten?
Like I need to know. I need to know if you've reflected at all.
virtue signaling
voting on a UN resolution w/ all my friends to feed starving people just so I can post it on my hinge profile and smash better
Ignorant ranting to its fullest
Stick your head in the sand just a little deeper and maybe you can shut out rational thought completely.
Projecting much, aren’t you?
Lol, good comeback. The world is doomed with thought zombies like you walking around.
I am not a thought zombie. But being that is better than being at constant war with information. Since you seem to be in a exclusive romantic relationship with misinformation.
Since you seem to be in a exclusive romantic relationship with misinformation.
Cyber Ghost of Marxist Dunkers Past
So much of rational thought build up from consuming too much bourgeois propaganda aka liberal media bullshit. Keep doing that and try to reply to every comment made here instead of nit picking the name calling ones. Good luck.
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@BossColo @CyberGhost We got a magat boys
Also, wtf is "virtue signaling"? Please define it.
lool get your fucking CCP propaganda out of here you wumao
Shut the fuck up cracker.
I think the person you're responding to was joking, just so you know.
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