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Plausible deniability

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Plausible deniability

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At first I thought it was blown out of proportion, too. After watching the video, I can only say that if he did that in Germany, he would have been arrested on stage. Let's see what topic-relatedly, profoundly knowledgeable Benito Mussolini, allegedly, had to say:
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."
Ah, ok, thanks Benito! Enjoy your fascism that you voted for, America. I hope those egg prices will go down (they won't).
- I hope those egg prices will go down (they won't).
  They might, since deregulation is another of Trump's plans. Then the producers can save money by not bothering to keep dangerous substances out of the food, or the water, or the air... and pass those "savings" on to the consumers.
  
  and pass those “savings” on to the consumers.
  More likely that they pocket those savings for extra profit and the prices stay the same.
  
  Deregulating the industry while we're on the cusp of a bird flu epidemic and after pulling out of WHO. 💀
  
  If you don't need to look for Avian flu, or stop selling eggs from sick Chickens, then cost savings can be passed on to customers, and no one will notice increased healthcare costs/deaths. Cheap eggs y'all.
  
  That only works for so long before shit like the avian flu kills all the flocks.
- Maybe arrested and then let go without any consequences. These guys are too rich to have proper punishments.

I've tried to imagine how I would gesture 'my heart goes out to you' vibes. In no world can I imagine a down-turned, flat palm, fingers straight and all together at about 45° (Nazi salute).
Like, if you were to give some one something (your metaphorical heart) you'd hand it over palm up. Or if you're metaphorically distributing it like sewing seeds you would again, throw it out, palm up, hands slightly closed. Or if you're throwing it like sand, you would have your fingers apart by the end of the throw.
In no world, does this make any sense other being a Nazi salute.
Or he's the most awkward, weird dude in history. That is also, true, but given his other behaviour, I dunno how this could be read in any other way.
- Racist "dog-wistling" is dead. This guy does two successive straight-up Nazi salutes after supporting right-wing politics in the USA and Germany and mainstream media still goes "hum, I'm not sure, maybe he's sharing his heart"?
  What's next? "Oh no, it's not a swastica flying over the capitol, it's just 4 'F's in a circle".

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
- What's the best way to react to them? Other than wars n fights.
- You could absolutely just replace anti-semites here with fascists, to encompass all the other minorities they intend to oppress

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
- I asked the Anti-Duckification League and they say he's a swan. You're misconstruing things and frankly we find it a bit weird that you'd read so far into such a banal hand gesture.
  Now, if you'll excuse me, we need to get back to our primary goal of making the use of the phrase "From the River, To The Sea" a capital crime.
- Steps like a goose.
- No, it’s probably a nazi. I don’t care how it looks or where it swims or even if it quacks.
  
  If they aren’t in 1940’s Germany supporting Hitler, they aren’t Nazis.
  You can never use history as an example, don’t these people know that?
  And comparisons are illegal.

Ok, so imagine that you're a billionaire and a really smart dude (as claimed by so many people on the internet). And you get into government and appear on TV and want to look good. You might hire a publicist, a PR team, some speechwriters, hell how about a body language consultant. When you go on TV you're going to project exactly the image you intend to. Anything less would be careless and stupid, right?
So yeah. This was a Nazi salute. And if you really want to argue that it wasn't, that Musk doesn't even know what a Nazi is, you gotta also accept that he's grossly incompetent and should not be in government at all. Throw him out, we didn't vote for him.
- What a fucking clown show of a state lmao. An empire in such steep decline that even the oligarchs and the politicians are incompetent.
- Smart? He only has enough money to buy smart ~~slaves~~ employees.

The birdy has grown

CNN is already sane-washing this, referring to Musk's "odd gesture."
- https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cpdxzjw9p47o
  Elon Musk's appearance at a Trump rally this afternoon is garnering significant attention online over a one-armed gesture.
  He made the gesture while thanking supporters for contributing to Trump's victory. Musk thanked the crowd for "making it happen", before placing his right hand over his heart and then thrusting the same arm out into air straight ahead of him.
  "My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilisation is assured," he said.
  Several users on X, the social medial platform he owns, have likened the gesture to a Nazi salute.
  Musk has since responded, posting on his social media site X: "Frankly, they need better dirty tricks. The 'everyone is Hitler' attack is sooo tired."
  I wish western journalists would have opted to become compost instead. Compost is useful.
  
  Securing the future and a nazi salute, but we're not supposed to believe our lying eyes.
- The ADL said it wasn't a Nazi salute, for what it's worth.
  
  Fuck the ADL: they run cover for genocidal Zionist settler colonialism.
  
  Don't trust your eyes, only what the party tells you
  
  The ADL's opinion is worth nothing, as a rule.
  
  they have lost all credibility.
  
  ADL = Anti Democracy League in this case, maybe in others, but definitely in this one.
  
  Which discredits them entirely
  
  ADL is anti-Jewish and pro-Zionist. Look at how they treat Jewish protestors against Zionism.
  
  It was bizarre reading that
  
  And AOC called them out for downplaying it as well.

The real excuse from Elons fans is "It's just a joke." Or "He's trolling libs."
Which is almost as bad, even if true.
It reminds me of school bullies that would make cutting, abusive "jokes" and follow it up with "Just kidding, bruh" if it doesn’t land right. And these are some of the worst human beings I have ever personally encountered.
How can people worship something like that at such scale? Like, I wouldn’t even wish that on the most raging Nazi, it’s worse than breaking their jaw.
- Another one I saw was "But Kamala Harris did it as well" which is just a frame and had to yet see an link to the video in question unlike when Elon Musk did it

i think in a logical society it would have been the other way around (second image would be the first)
- Well, our society is everything else, than Logical

1932 was a pivotal year in the Nazis’ ascent. It’s a terrifying parallel for today
Leading Civil Rights Lawyer Shows 20 Ways Trump Is Copying Hitler's Early Rhetoric and Policies
Here's the list from that second article. Article goes into detail for each.
Neither was elected by a majority. (not relevant now this was 2019)
Both found direct communication channels to their base.
Both blame others and divide on racial lines.
Both relentlessly demonize opponents.
They unceasingly attack objective truth.
They relentlessly attack mainstream media.
Their attacks on truth include science.
Their lies blur reality--and supporters spread them.
Both orchestrated mass rallies to show status.
They embrace extreme nationalism.
Both made closing borders a centerpiece.
They embraced mass detention and deportations.
Both used borders to protect selected industries.
They cemented their rule by enriching elites.
Both rejected international norms.
They attack domestic democratic processes.
Both attack the judiciary and rule of law.
Both glorify the military and demand loyalty oaths.
They proclaim unchecked power.
Both relegate women to subordinate roles.

MAGAts ain’t cryin tho
- The normalization and defenses of it, the crying maga soyjack, has been coming from the the major media networks from what I have seen.
  MAGA is stroking it.
- He is crying from happiness, until, as always, affects their family members.
  
  Liberals deeply, passionately, fervently need to believe in some kind of cosmic justice for conservatives. But I'm surrounded by them deep down in the bleeding red state of Texas, and I'm sorry to report they're thriving and multiplying.
  Yeah, sure, they'll bitch and cry like stuck pigs at the mildest inconvenience. But plenty of them still have fat bank accounts and big price-inflated houses they took the mortgage out on 20 years ago when land was cheap and college degrees with minimal debt and luxurious country club style mega-churches subsidized with public dollars and giant families with chubby little grandkids outfitted in all the latest MAGA apparel.
  Like, the idea that you've got these armies of Crying MAGA voters who have sucked shit due to Republican policy is delusional. The army of billionaires showing up to the Trump Inauguration so they can kiss the ring and collect another few trillion in next year's federal spending should let you know exactly how delusional.
  Conservatives aren't suffering and liberals would do well to stop pretending a friendly government is incapable of jerking its favored constituents off. Just because the last four liberal Presidents fumbled the bag for their base voters doesn't mean Republicans can't or won't happily deliver.

We're cooked guys.
Buy a gun.
- And join the SRA while you're at it

"No, see, it's not a salute because his hand is tilted .026 degrees higher than that of Adolf Hitlers Nazi salute, so how can you even compare the two things, they're completely different!!!"
- Tbf, Adolf Hitlers salutes were really sloppy.
  
  Hitler was also whacked out of his mind on methamphetamine most of the time, just like this jackass
  
  They're gonna be mad that you insulted the führer
  
  Seriously, he had the worst heils. He would just flop his front arm up.

𝕯𝖎𝖊𝖘𝖊 𝕶𝖔𝖒𝖒𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖘𝖊𝖐𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖎𝖘𝖙 𝖓𝖚𝖓 𝕰𝖎𝖌𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖚𝖒 𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝕭𝖚𝖓𝖉𝖊𝖘𝖗𝖊𝖕𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖎𝖐 𝕯𝖊𝖚𝖙𝖘𝖈𝖍𝖑𝖆𝖓𝖉
Diese Besitznotiz gilt nicht für Elon Musk. Den könnt ihr gerne behalten, wir brauchen keinen zweiten Höcke der zusätzlich noch viel zu viel Geld hat.
- Bratwurstkolbenprüfgerätehalter

its just a roman salute bro 🤓
- I know you're joking, but I still struggle to see how that makes things better? We have evidence that the Romans also committed genocide.
  
  The nazis modeled a lot of their Reich on the Roman state (the eagle iconography was used by both). The Roman salute was just something else they took from their idea of the Roman empire
  So I'm with you, I have no idea how "it's a roman salute" is supposed to make anything better
  
  yea im joking, its a very common apologia nazis throw when someone is caught doing the nazi salute.

Quit linking Twitter and X. Almost any other site will do.

You know what's worse than a guy waving his arm around?
Women and children actually being murdered in Gaza.
It's funny that this gets so much outrage but the genocide in Gaza isn't causing as much hysteria.
- Musk wants kids in Gaza killed, just like he wants people in America dead.
  Both are murder, both aren't okay.
- WDYM Biden worked tirelessly towards a ceasefire.
  Anyways how stupid are people to not realize Elon made a Nazi salute am I right?
  /s
  
  He also supplied billions of dollars which killed 1000's of men women and children
- Open your eyes. This shit is gonna cause more deaths in Gaza, and outside of Gaza.
  
  How?

He can't quite get that arm up real good, can he.
- Billionaire can't even get a well-fitting suit.

I vote for a rebrand of MAGA: Make America Go Aryan.

conspiracy theorists taking us for idiots, nothing new(, even if you're taking it quite farther than usual).
On the side of real stuff happening : D.Trump said a lot in his inauguration speech, and just put Cuba back on the terrorist states list, as well as signing over twenty executive orders, etc. Seems worth more discussion than your fantasies.
Just unfortunate that, like for D.Trump, you're too used to discussing the form instead of the content, we're worth more than selected/biased excerpts.

He did put on a weird stank face when he did it. He thought he was doing something but I don't think he was aiming for nazi salute. He's happy to trigger the libs over it but I think in the moment it was somewhere between the weird jump he did on stage and the ketamine putting enough holes in his brain that he thought this was a normal 'my heart goes out to you all' gesture.
- He thought he was doing something but I don’t think he was aiming for nazi salute.
  He did it more than once.
  He did it exactly like Nazis did it.
  Once to the crowd. Turn around and once more to the Fuhrer or Nazi flag.
  You don't need to make excuses. He did it.
- You’re a gullible one aren’t you? I got some beans to sell you. They’re magic beans.
  
  If it was intentional I don't think he would choose this venue. Trump has gotta be so pissed at him for stealing the media spotlight and making him look bad.
  Fundamentally I don't think he thinks of himself as a neo-nazi whether or not he functionally is one. And I don't think he's bold enough for a dog whistle this blatant even if he does.

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