Hegseth finally pops bubble of illusion: 'No NATO for Ukraine'

a tale as old as time itself

Literally the same words said in December 2021 could possibly prevent:
invasion of Ukraine;
death of dozens or hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and turning of millions of Ukrainians to refugees;
destruction of dozens of Ukrainian cities;
loss of Ukrainian territory to Russia;
loss of Ukrainian rare minerals to US.
The Trump administration is just saying loud what all the other NATO governors have been hiding. No one ever planned to fight Russia for Ukraine and the only destiny for Ukrainian aboriginals is to be used as proxy cannon fodder to fight one of NATO's bogeymen.
NATO countries never cared about Ukraine's casualities to the point that they decided that Ukrainian lives were worth less than a signed piece of paper with the aforementioned statement: 'No NATO for Ukraine'. Everything that happens to the people of Ukraine is just collateral damage on the way to the main goal – to harm Russia. The colonizer mentality (so well known to many NATO countries) never changes.
- I love how you get downvoted for stating the obvious.
  
  Why stop now: they’ve been downvoting us for saying these same things for years.

That's what Daddy Putin wants, so that's what Daddy Putin gets.
- This is what America wanted. Biden made no effort to provide Ukraine with the weapons to win.
- They were never going to get into NATO. Behind closed doors, Ukraine not getting into NATO has been bipartisan consensus for a long time. And Trump is not Putin’s puppet.
  
  You are screaming into the void. The people downvoting you think Butcher Biden is a good person, they are a lost cause.
  
  Source for any of this? Would be interested to know more about these points.
  
  Behind closed doors, the consensus has been that other countries don't want to get dragged into the current war in accordance with NATO mutual defense agreements.
  But since Trump insists that he can end the war, that's obviously not a consideration for him - by his claims, there will be nothing more standing in the way of Ukraine membership in NATO.
  Which makes this announcement that much more significant - essentially what he's saying is that even after the main obstacle to Ukraine membership has been eliminated, the US will oppose it.
  Why?
  Because... no, Trump is not Putin's puppet. He's something even worse - a cringing sycophant, desperate for affirmation from his strongman idol.

Security guarantees? Europe's picking up the tab while Washington cashes out. Hegseth's "pragmatic evaluation" means funneling Europe's GDP into Lockheed Martin's quarterly reports. NATO's 5% defense spending target? A $2.3 trillion shakedown disguised as collective security. The Continent's industrial base is now a Pentagon subcontractor.
Crimea's gone. Zelensky's bargaining chips? A lithium deposit map and a graveyard of Leopard tanks. The "non-NATO peacekeeping mission" is just a rebrand for EU cannon fodder patrols. Von der Leyen's already drafting memos about "volunteer brigades" staffed by unemployed Iberian welders.
The real "negotiated settlement": Trump's Mar-a-Lago membership roster now includes Rosneft executives. Europe gets to foot the bill for demining Donbas while Chevron drills the Black Sea.
- The fact that Europeans bet their whole future on a politically unstable country that can completely change its entire policy every four years will never stop being hilarious.
  
  Europe's gamble isn't just hilarious; it's tragicomic. Hitching your entire geopolitical wagon to a nation that treats foreign policy like a reality TV show is less strategy and more roulette. Every election cycle, Europe braces for the next wildcard—will it be isolationism or interventionism? Nobody knows, least of all the Americans.
  Meanwhile, the EU's "unity" is a patchwork quilt of conflicting interests, stitched together with bureaucratic duct tape. Betting on stability from across the Atlantic while your own house is on fire? That’s not foresight; it’s delusion.
  The real punchline? Europe bankrolls this circus while Washington reaps the dividends. At this rate, they might as well start paying for campaign ads in Iowa.

Under this deal, Putin gets to annex key territories while Ukraine is kept out of NATO and left without American peacekeepers, forcing Europe to buy U.S. military gear. Imperialist powers divide and weaken working people by keeping nations in chaos and under constant threat. This brief period of "peace" isn't for long as capitalist interests allow Russia to regroup and rearm. Ukraine remains in a disordered, free-for-all state under imperialist influences. In time, this setup could let Russia launch an invasion through Odessa to connect with Transnistria.
- Transnistria is a thousand miles from Odessa, twice as far as St. Petersberg, and Pskov is about 400 miles away.
  Vibes, vibes, vibes.
  
  Transnistria is a thousand miles from Odessa, twice as far as St. Petersberg, and Pskov is about 400 miles away.
  Vibes, vibes, vibes.
  No. The material reality is that Transnistria is roughly 100–150 km from Odessa and not the thousand miles being claimed.
  Pskov is near the Estonian border, and St. Petersburg is on the Baltic Sea. Neither of these cities is close to Moldova, so they are largely irrelevant to any invasion plans in that region.
  It's important to rely on concrete conditions and verifiable data rather than hyperbolic claims and vibing.

Get ready to see a wave of far right terrorist attacks on US/European soil when they realize what we've been ridiculed for saying from day one: they were used as cannon fodder, there was never any intention of NATO membership
- Europe is rapidly entering the finding out stages of fucking around.

I mean, Russia is winning. What are people here expecting?
- Liberals still seem to think the war can be ended if the US asks Russia politely to retreat and gain nothing.

Wouldn't this have had value as a bargaining chip in peace talks? The fact that they're saying this now suggests that they're about to pressure Ukraine into a truly shitty deal.
- My guess is that this was Putin's requirement to even discuss terms. Besides, Trump already secured rights to their REM, what more could we even get from Ukraine joining NATO?

What level do you need to be to cast Bubble of Illusion?
- Level of Permenant Member with Veto Status (I don't know if they could block them joining, but I imagine they could)
  
  Any nato member can prevent anyone from joining.

Hope this guy gets hit by a dump truck

Deadbeat dad doesn’t even begin to describe the abandonment.

I mean fuck hegseth he's a fucking Nazi but NATO is also full of Nazis too so fuck it let them fight

We get:
Nothing
You get:
Less than nothing
What a fucking great deal!
- What a fucking great deal!
  Somehow it's always like that when some country get to serve as US proxy.
  
  TBF the compradors get money & power, and if they’re really lucky they don’t get whacked.

"He deserves special gratitude from the Ukrainian and European establishments for telling the truth before things go way too far."
Before??

I'm surprised a Nazi like Hegseth wants to help Russia so bad.
- Nuclear war helps nobody. Hegseth doesn't have an option here, nor does anyone in the West. They tried to push their nuclear capabilities to the last border and Russia stopped them. When the only further option is escalating towards nuclear war, then you really don't have options. Hegseth, the media talking head that he is, has been tasked with communicating the reality on the ground, not making any real decisions here

Russia will eye Europe, and USA will keep eyeing Canada and Greenland.
- Russia does not have the ability to invade Europe and everyone knows it except liberals in America
  
  Russia is simultaneously two weeks away from running out of soldiers and sending toddlers to the frontline and about to march through Berlin.
- Only a matter of time before they fabricate a reason for the public to believe and then they will invade.
  And they will believe it. He’s already saying “matter of national security”. Americans have truly abandoned us. Half of them are still just waiting for the eggs while they prepare to invade other countries to play three player RISK before they die and leave the remainder for the climate.
  
  They're only divided by a small strait, why can't we just stop all of the comical geopolitical attention grabs and just watch the US and Russia kiss?

Putin's investments are now paying dividends.
- Everyone making decisions in either country for decades has been gunning for a war in Europe or actively profiting off of this one. The war will continue as long as it can by throwing money at it unless there's simply more to be made buying up the aftermath and installing collaborators to impose World Bank/IMF austerity for generations, or the bottom is rising up.
  
  War is a racket

This plus Danish intel means a large scale war in Europe is imminent.
Edit: my point is that Russia will escalate things in Europe as Danish intel has indicated. Donno why I'm getting downvoted.
- Pretty sure Europe would require basic things like industry and energy production to fight a large scale war.
- Keep in mind that state intel is as much or more in the job of disinformation as in information.

With no guarantees of safety from future aggression, why on earth would Ukraine accept such a deal? This whole war started with Russia breaking their previous peace agreement.
- Because Ukraine doesn't really have much of a choice in the matter, the entire point of the war was to get to a point where that could be certified. If Ukraine refuses any peace deals, Russia will just continue the war.
  
  If Ukraine doesn't get any security assurances, then they're effectively still at war. This war started after supposedly getting promises of security for ceding Crimea.
  They're not the ones pushing this negotiation. If they just wanted to stop the war and give Putin everything he wanted with no guarantees he won't just regroup and invade again they could have done that at any time.