One in five Americans want their state to secede and join Canada: Poll
One in five Americans want their state to secede and join Canada: Poll
Crossposted from https://europe.pub/post/85308
I’ll beat this drum again: I would fully support a program where we exchange equal numbers of MAGA loyalists in Canada for trained doctors, engineers, and tradespeople looking to escape fascism.
The Americans have already shown interest in this with their idea of importing white South Africans. Is this an impossible idea?
Europe could also send over our USA-lovers to MAGA-land. I like the way you think.
Yeah just put them all in a big dystopian hellhole, its basically what they want so you're actually making them happy by doing it. They can worship billionaires while complaining about not having any social benefits and experience hardships like a bunch of repressed peasants.
And using a fishnet boat.
That’s the perfect meme, because I do feel guilty about how this fucks over my friends and family in the US. But as they don’t seem motivated to fix their own country, I feel like this may be a good way to at least help some people
I've pointed out before that most of the MAGA-land folks in Canada likely currently don't have a viable path to immigrate to the USA, see https://lemmy.ca/post/41215108/15425311 and https://lemmy.ca/post/41215108/15458003
But that doesn't mean we can't make one for them!
I imagine we could easily negotiate something like the Trans-Tasman Travel Arrangement, but between Canada and the USA - but with the additional condition that MAGA is a disqualifying condition for coming to Canada.
Like the TTTA, we should also allow the green card holders in.
Yeah likely would need to create a special system of refugee status or similar. Maybe around the concept of escaping “woke-ism”?
We've got a bunch of cookers in Australia we need to dump too.
It doesn't even need to be equal, TBH, although if we have a refugee wave we probably will need to restrict them from some of the housing supply.
Each refugee can keep 1 home for every 3 homes they build. Obviously one human isn't building 3 homes, but if a squad of 50 refugees build 150 homes, they keep 50 and sell 50. This includes turning single family homes into plexes.
Im conflicted on multi-use buiness sapce. Either homes can be replaced with businesses at a ratio set by each city, but probably somewhere in the 1/5 to 1/10 range; or business are excluded from the sell 2/3rds rule (aka you could build a 4 plex with 3 homes and one business, than keep one home and one business, selling 2 homes)
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
If it's dumb and it works, then you take the dumb and exchange it for the works, it's not dumb, well, the dumb isn't there anymore and now you have more works!!
scientists are smart enough to escape first, no such luck for MS, AND BS of stem though, as were not "valuable" in for-profit stem industry.
I hope Canada can change this.
One challenge has been that many of our best-educated people have left for the US, which has blunted some of the economic trickle-down effects that should accompany publicly-funded research. So we incur the costs but yet not reap the benefits, which dulls public enthusiasm for supporting this.
It’s entirely plausible to me that this system has been upended and think we should reevaluate these choices to consider expanding funding for science not directly tied to industry and short-term benefits. But I don’t think it’ll be as easy as snapping our fingers
And nobody in Canada wants this because 70 million americans voted for Trump
I'd way rather join EU so we get smart people coming into the country
We do share a land border with Denmark. We settled a border dispute with Denmark on Hans Island. We also have France just a few kilometers off the coast of Newfoundland in St Pierre and Miquelon.
We should use that as a path to EU membership
I think it's on the State level not the whole US. I'm fine with that.
Would like New England so we can have it unite with New Scotland to form the New United Kingdom and have Prince Albert(a) from New Brunswick be it's Monarch's consort and patron explorers, like Columbus but British so a British Columbia, to sail the seas to claim New Found Land and Labour to teach New English to New France until they can have Nunavut anymore.
I'm down for that. I live in California, being a Canadian province would double Canada's population and more than double its GDP.
I think there’s a lot that we could offer each other. I’d personally love to see it.
Actually id rather just break the united states into smaller countries.
Finding common ground and priorities with such a large populace is so non-productive.
There's an argument for states rights and a smaller federal government.
Individual Canadian provinces enjoy more Autonomy than your average US state.
This is a horse shit idea. I don’t want the culture here to be watered down. I’d be wary of any state wanting to join confederation, and also concerned about the uptick in immigration from the USA.
It’s me. I’m the 1 in 5 Americans. I would so much rather be there than here.
I mean, I appreciate the sentiment, but, I would much rather Americans actually came together and fixed their own shit rather than bailing on hundreds of years of work by leaving.
Same
Same
In theory
No.
I'll offer you the state of New York. You can have the tax base of NYC. I'm sure most of New England minus New Hampshire would be down with this.
Even NH could join up, and straight go the same way that Quebec enjoys.
As a Texan, as much as I want to be a Canadian, I would not wish my asshole neighbors on my friends to the north.
Everything is bigger in Texas, but especially the bigotry. Hope you’re doing well.
Lived in Texas 6 long years. Which was 7 years too long.
As a Texan, you should push for Texas to break into 5 additional states.
I mean, we'd be okay with taking Austin. We're already familiar with their City Limits.
Austin is cool. I like San Antonio too. The Big Bend country is beautiful as are the Glass mountains and hill country. The problem is most of the Texans.
We already have a Texas. It's called Alberta.
We don’t want US people seceding to Canada. Enough of their individualistic, manifest destiny, American exceptionalism poison mindset. I don’t want any more of that ideology to infect Canada any more than it already has.
any more than it already has
So many people I know get fuming mad at the idea of higher taxes because they think their income is going to be given to the poor. It's the same 'one good move away from being a millionaire' mentality that drives voters in red states.
I want my taxes going to the poor! Society does better when we raise the floor, like how raising minimum wage also means that everyone else gets bumped up or how it’s cheaper to house the homeless and help them join a workforce as opposed to leaving them out on the streets.
But more specifically I want the ultra-rich to actually pay their fucking taxes! They have the money, they can pony and help a little.
Can you at least start letting in trans US refugees before they all get genocided? Because it's already started.
Of course. I really want this. Trans US people should be able to claim refugee status in Canada. I really hope the govt makes this a possibility soon. Right now the Canadian govt hasn’t issued a travel warning for the US even though Canadians are being detained and held for nothing.
sorry we got to do a purge first. we can't be joining any canada until we deal with this problem internally...
Canada, don't do it
I AM the danger!
Whatever it takes for USians to get healthcare. No country is as barbaric towards its own citizens as the Unites States.
Well, maybe North Korea.
Hey, stop insulting North Korea like that, at least Kim isn't a complete dumbass with fake tan.
I, an Arizonan, would gladly become part of Mexico. A quarter of my heritage is there already.
The US people wishing one thing and their stupid government doing exactly the opposite. Name a more iconic duo!
Mmmmm. Have Canadians considered that these USAians might try to enter their country?
They may need to look at ways to prevent this, idk, maybe like building a wall? Or tariffs. Tariffs work for everything, though I don't really know what they are and can only spell it because of autocorrect.
Stop giving Poilievre ideas. He's already Trumping as hard as he can.
Can we have California? I want their movie industry to be Canadian.
A lot of filming is done in Canada anyway because cheaper
This just in: 1 in 5 Americans deported to Salvadoran prisons, selection is random
It might be only 20%, but compared to the proportion of Canadians willing to become part of the US being 13%, I find this rather hilarious.
I'd love to see this broken down by state.
warof1812 has entered the chat.
Meee.
Too bad they had a whole war already establishing that's not allowed.
I wonder which states the majority of these people are in.
It links to a map, https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-states-most-likely-secede-1870679 (archive: https://archive.ph/oGlKO )
Surprising that support in Alaska (36%) and Texas (31%) is so much higher than the national average, I'd have thought it'd be blue states leading, shows what I know...
I've suggested that the entire NFC North could just become Canadian providences. Parts of Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Illinois already feel like Canada anyways. Also we'd dominate the CFL!
Full disclosure: I live in Michigan.
Sorry, but you're not welcome.
Person-for-person, maybe; but with very few exceptions, we don't really want or need US territory.
Michigan for Michiganders. Fuck these southern assholes taking my resources. They should be paying for them.
What’s good for the Michigoose is good for the Michigander.
Those statistics are bs
Issue: Canada exterminates natives, proving extreme racism.
The inuit have their own area which is basically all of the northern part of Canada
To those Americans: you know that means you get a king, right?
Compared to?
I will take Charles over Trump any day.
In a nano-second.
You don't need to sell it to them, they already want to join.
Yeah, but he's an innocuous king with some sound ideas on classical architecture. As opposed to the thing we have in the white house.
I'm not sure they realize how different it is. I think even the Democrats would find it too liberal.
Yes all Canadians are famously liberal, great take
