Trump suggests taking over New York City and Washington
Trump suggests taking over New York City and Washington
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Trump suggests taking over New York City and Washington
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Fuck the mods!
Violence will be the only correct response if this is done.
Actively overturning an election bc the other party won, is a call to remove those in charge by any means.
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Fuck the mods
First off, to be clear, I don't agree with this statement, I think it's the wrong stance.
But after that, I think this is a really an interesting point. [In general I understand a policy of not inciting violence] but if for instance, (purely hypothetically) the country were to fall into civil war (a crazy suggestion I know), wouldn't this policy instantly seem inappropriate?
I mean, encouraging people to join the war effort would be a matter of course, to quash that sentiment and silence those voices seems unethical.
As we slip closer to that possible outcome, surely the time for seriously talking about violence would come before the first shot is fired, right? So where do you draw that line? At what point is a statement which incites violence "violating site rules" and at what point is it "legitimate discussion of impending hostilities".
And I for one, am very interested in how mods feel about this question.
edit for clarity in brackets
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He means fuck the mods because they ban and delete comments that even hint at violence or Revolution, which only helps the oppressor. We are never going to get a better deal if every time we talk about getting mad, we get shut up and shut down. It was a huge issue on Reddit and is becoming one here with the mods who just ban everyone who gets mad
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wouldn't this policy instantly seem inappropriate?
Out of context, yes. However, lemmy.world has been banning people for jokes or PERCEIVED call for violence.
It feels more like a "I'm having a bad day and i'm taking it out on you." On top of that, the incresing amount of fake news sites or uncreditable news outlets is alarming. If the goal was to be reddit 2.0 , Mission accomplish.
At what point is a statement which incites violence "violating site rules" and at what point is it "legitimate discussion of impending hostilities".
I feel this should be the point if his threat is carried out. Everything up to this point could be argued in a manner that it is still, no matter how crazy it sounds, in hia scope of power. Removing an elected political adversary due to their political party would mean starting over with a constitution.
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Actively overturning an election bc the other party won
The election is in November ...
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Yes, if he overturns the election results after the election. I guess he could passive aggressively do it to.
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Yup.
If he went through with this it would be an act of war on the American people. At that point lethal force would be justified.
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What a coincidence, I suggest Trump goes and fucks himself with the green side of a pineapple
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Why just one side? Keep pushing it in until he can feel both sides.
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All just because Cuomo lost to a progressive candidate. Americans, please be fully aware what lengths Trump is willing to take for total control
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This is dementia ramblings.
They could have asked him about cheese and I bet he would've talked about doing a tremendous job at making cheese grate again.
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Do. Not. Underestimate. This. Fascist.
America is on the brink.
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Brink? my brother in christ that brink was several months back. you're a full on fascist state now. I'm in Canada and I live above a Nazi bar.
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He's basically already invaded LA. Don't know why people think this is unbelievable.
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It is until it isn't.
There's no way he'd implement a 250% tariff. That's just crazy.
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This is dementia ramblings.
Whether it is or not, are you willing to risk spending the rest of your life in an authoritarian state?
Trump is a fucking idiot. The people behind him are not. We're already way further down this path than we should be. Every dipshit thing he says needs to be taken extremely seriously.
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making cheese grate again
I'd bet bigly yuge that Trump is incapable of that gouda pun.
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For anyone still unsure, it is time to purchase weapons and start training. I don't care what episode of Real Housewives of Whatever is on this week. It's time to arm up and accept the reality that you may actually need to take up arms against your government if things continue on the track we're on. You don't want to be caught behind the curve on something like this.
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You Americans always skip to shootouts for some reason. You went from "I don't have stamps at home so I am skipping voting this decade" to fantasising about shootouts with police real fucking quick, skipping millions way more useful and way more non-community-destructing ways to resist, as if resistance isn't the point, but dying "glorious" death is.
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Goomba fallacy.
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"Skip to" isn't quite fair, because the million things that can be done need to be done by tens of millions of people, and not everybody has those opportunities. So for some, "Guess I'll get a gun while I still can," is just the next thing they can do after voting and protesting and calling and writing and donating and speaking, because we've been taught for a long time that that's how these things go and the best defense is being armed.
And even beyond that, saying "You Americans" as though we're all a like-minded group is as silly as assuming that everyone is from the US.
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but boom boom
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I'm not American, but I feel like I would rather go out in a blaze of glory, as it were, than be sent off to the
queer prisonbiblical re-education camps that don't seem to be very far away.
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Sure. That 1911 will sure help against that V-22 dumping Marines on your front lawn.
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Those marines that couldn't defeat the Taliban?
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While I have my own comments to the contrary elsewhere, I'm also in agreement that everyone should arm, which is also contrary to me 8 months ago. The military aren't cyborgs and hopefully wouldn't kill their own people, other countries would step up if our country truly tried to kill us, and if we dropped a nuke on ourselves, everyone's dead across the planet anyway.
The numbers don't look good, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to live and be free, if we can't escape. Even escape isn't an end, per se, if the evil spreads, it will eventually be everywhere, and no nation will be safe. Might as well destroy the cancer before we need chemo.
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Marines would get wrecked in a long term occupation on us soil. It is just completely counter to their skill set.
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Assuming the V22 doesn't dump itself on your lawn of course. 😋
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Thats not how it works.
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Must, absolutely must, arm yourselves. Join local militias, self-defense forces, neighborhood Patrol forces, or whatever you call them in your area. Got to prepare.
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Yup.
If you even dabble in history you know that the best time to purchase firearms and start training was yesterday. The second best time is today.
This is not alarmist shit. We have crossed some serious thresholds already. Fascism is absolutely here. If enough American citizens make it clear we're ready to use our 2nd amendment right as originally intended, then we can potentially make them fear enough for their safety to limit their fascist actions before things get really dark.
Because if we don't, then this continues spiraling and a lot of people are going to die and it's going to take a lot longer for things to get back to normal.
Again, this is not doomsaying. This is real shit. Pick up a history book. We're already well down the path. The Germans didn't think it was getting too serious until it was too late.
Arm yourselves. Help your friends and family arm themselves. Train with them. Put pressure on your state-level politicians to create a state militia.
It can, and will, happen here if we don't push back.
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yeah... all the militias in my area are magat infested circlejerks filled with the dough boys or neo-nazis that religiously larp their squeal team six fantasies.
the only benefit would be the hotwife couples that you could meet but even then the various amounts of VD you would be exposing yourself to would make the endeavor worthless. you'd be safer picking up a prostitute. at least then you wouldn't have to listen to hours of brainless fox news propaganda just for fifteen minutes of mediocre sex.
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all the militias in my area are magat infested circlejerks
Even more reason to get with like-minded people and create a militia.
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I bet there are more leftists militias and defense groups than you'd think. If somehow there arent then you should look into creating one.
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I need to seek one of those out
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John Brown Society Socialist Rifle Association
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Death to the fascists
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Waiting any minute until I see Chairman Trump as a decoration.
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The apoplectic establishment reaction to Mamdani is not about the evil of affordable housing or solving food deserts. It is suggesting arrest of Netanyahu.
States and cities are under fire from federal Republicans that either must resort to higher taxes on some people, or significantly increase desperation levels that will increase crime, and validate more the needs for fascist takeovers of cities/states that don't fund anti-desperation programs.
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reaction to Mamdani is not about the evil of affordable housing or solving food deserts
It kind of is that too, its a real slippery slope where if people see someone with some fairly mild goals actually improve the lives of the people they have sworn to represent, other people might ask for it in their states. Cant have the people seeing value in a government representing them, how would u be able to balance that while continuing to let the corporations you really represent keep no lube fucking them to death?
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Can someone list which laws he would break if he did this?
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You have to frame it which laws he'll be prosecuted for. Other wise you might have some sort of hope
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Laws don't apply to him.
both because he is legally allowed to break the law, and even if anyone tries to sue him to stop, the supreme court will end the knee and alow it.
there's no rule of law in the US.
asking what law he broke is 100% irrelevant.
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can someone list which laws he broke saying this in his capacity as POTUS?
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As if that has stopped him from doing things before
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He's going to attempt to do it unless somebody fucking stops it.
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They’ve got their Revolutionary Guard Corps now, so your best hope now is probably for Baron Greenback to choke on his own tongue or something and then the rest of the regime tear each other apart over control.
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He’s with my mother on the other side—Washington is watching from the other side! Teach me how to say goodbye
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So going for a Preußenschlag
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So, to my fellow Americans in NYC, how are those gun laws working out? That's a smartass question, but more seriously, what will you do when the Gestapo comes rolling down Flatbush Avenue?
I'll never find it again, but a few years ago jihadis went rampaging down the streets in Iran, randomly shooting into apartment blocks. All I could think was, "At least that can't happen here."
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They're going just about as well as they are everywhere else in the US, barring that one guy in Texas that got killed opening fired on a Border Patrol facility the other day. Before you get too snarky, let's have some examples of the folks in states that always have a hard-on for gun ownership who are actually proving what you're implying here? Oh, the good gun-owners generally aren't rising up, but those states are actually welcoming the Gestapo with open arms, since they voted for this? What a surprise.
Keep on living in your fantasy world that the 2nd Amendment bros are going to actually get off their asses and do something about it. Other than cheering it on, that is.
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When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun
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nazis at your door and you use it as an opportunity to pwn the libs. Jesus christ
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Yeah, I have to rescind my movie friends statement.
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As a resident of Washington state, I really wish these articles would include D.C. when they refer to the country's capital. This time, they are referring to D.C.
Yeah I went bug eyed there for a sec as a fellow resident
"for a sec"
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Are you only willing to act once they are at your doorstep?
I was so fucking confused lol
Don't worry, if he takes over those two your turn won't be far behind.
I’ve noticed with politics it’s pretty east coast centric along with comedy television/movies. Just assume it’s DC when it’s politics.
It's a city named Washington which is the most relevant to US politics so it kind of makes sense.
Yes, but it's easy to confuse with the state when "D.C." isn't included.