does anyone else feel enslaved?
does anyone else feel enslaved?
When I was growing up the internet was a place to be liberated from the world say what you want to say, be whoever you want and form genuine communities with shared interests. Now the internet feels like a tool to enslave the mind with identity echo chambers and any deviation leads you to being banned and blocked shunned and silenced within a void that is inescapable. Novel unique websites coded manually by hobbyists running servers for free in the commons allowing people access to the free flow of information under the banner of "information should be free" has largely gone away with corpratisation. I miss the days when the internet was populated largely by nerds aiming to make a better world not this controlled censored hell hole of profiteering.
I agree and now I find myself moving my entire digital life off of big tech platforms and towards free software to escape this madness.
The good old internet still exists and lemmy is living proof. You just need to dig a little because the corporate search engines won't show you. sdf.org for example is a nice little corner of the internet.
"Enslave" is a bit harsh, considering there are about 38-50 million people who are currently slaves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century
We're choosing to allow a lot of the things these companies are doing to us; but we could choose to walk away at the cost of some shiny things.
The complaining of censorship makes me think this is written by some guy just posting some bigoted shit lol. Also it's true a lot of stuff has moved under centralized services, but this is very exaggerated.
Now the internet feels like a tool to enslave the mind with identity echo chambers and any deviation leads you to being banned and blocked shunned and silenced within a void that is inescapable.
Also this is just sounds ridiculous lol.
I agree with your premise, but no, I don't feel like the internet is just " echo chambers and any deviation leads you to being banned and blocked shunned and silenced". And anytime I see someone complain about being systematically censored or banned, you've gotta look at what they're posting.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1697612
Banned because I made a meme that reddit was once a platform for free speech now a social engineering tool, found any excuse on my profile to give me a label of hate speech, and also because I disagreed with abortion.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1692669
What is it with you lot with your obsession and fixation on rights? Why do you want the government to dictate your thoughts and actions so much?
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1693235
Enforcing policy is dictating lives though, how about just use a different name for marriage and do a different ritual? Unless that’s only if you actually only care for inheritance laws.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1696649
How about people just treat each better than forcing it on people by the state.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1693539
Marxism-leninism isn’t fascist though
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1677203
Like when your get older you appreciate the professionalism and authoritarian rules. No being more conservative doesn’t mean you hate gays and want death upon them, you libs sure do like to assume and generalise.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1676143
Well the western left does have issues like being sex obsessed.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1696276
So bad because he wrong thinked? Tate bad because he said a word? Please if he helps young men go to the gym and improve mental health then what’s the problem but it also highlights a gaping hole in society that hasn’t been addressed and neglected by this Western woke ideology, largely the needs of males have been neglected, shunned and ignored.
Just a quick 5 minutes of scrolling. So maybe people dislike what you're saying because what you're saying is anti-LGBT, anti-rights, pro-forced birth, conservative, tankie apologia? Also a fan of Andrew Tate so pro-rape, pro-human trafficking. I mean your record is speaking for itself.
Its a bit strange because, before, a few of us were here and getting to know the internet and everything it had to offer.
Nowadays, everyone is on the internet but most of them are confined to the apps they use and what those apps show them.
So it seems people are being silently manipulated without ever knowing there are many more things out there, but even then, the will to explore new things might not suit them, and they prefer to "live in the matrix".
Internet mass manipulation is getting ever more developed and used as a tool to achieve an agenda.
At the risk of sounding like exactly what you decry, I'm going to pick on your choice of language, hopefully it will seem like it's for good enough reason. I largely sense a similar, regretful shift in the way the internet is experienced and have some mixed feelings about it, but I would be very cautious in using a term like 'enslaved'. When you choose to fire up your own high-tech information device to access the publicly available internet and you don't find the experience exhilarating or thrilling, or fulfilling, in comparison to some relatively rose-tinted view of the same experience had during your childhood can you honestly say that that is similar to enslavement?
However, semantics aside, yeh it's kind of a shame some of the quirky rough around the edges character of the internet has changed a bit since it became more mainstream and since corporate participation has refined and figured out how to extract much more efficiently from it. That said, as is often said when this sentiment is expressed, the old style of web is still there, you just don't see it. Nothing stops people from hand coding a website if they want to, but it's unlikely to be the top of any given search result from Google, and we all use Google. Similarly, unlike decades past, there is just so much stuff on the web that these types of things will likely not be noticed. There's kind of a paradoxical relationship with how much more in general is available online with how much less varied our consumption of it is. Pretty much every web experience through a browser is going to start with www.google.com, either through the page itself or a default search bar and after that for many it's going to be facebook, or reddit or amazon. Out of billions of pages, it tends to come down to about 4 for most and then a smattering of other larger media presences accessed via the portal of one of those 4. It can seem like there's nothing else there in such a case and though not really true, it kind of in practice is true because you'll much less likely find someone's home made hobbyist website through major portals than you might have when by virtue of little else being available, that's what a search engine returned or word-of-mouth recommended.
How bad a thing this is, is nuanced. The web is vastly more useful than it ever was, although the forces at work that made it so seem to be engaging in cannabilising themselves and one another and crippling their own utility in the never ending quest for more profit. I miss some of the feel of the earlier web, although when I was coming of age and using it heavily in the early 2000s, it was very well established already so I don't have quite the same basis of comparison as someone who might have used it throughout the 80s or 90s. I think I have detected something of a shift away from the 'edgy' persona adopted by most on forums, but then it's hard to separate my usage and interests at the time from the general web itself. I think, for one thing, there still remained even in the early 2000s, a nicheness and 'geek' culture to those who spent time on forums that tended to skew the demographic towards teenage boys although I have no evidence for this, this has gone unless you seek it out. I personally haven't really had too much of a problem with shunning and banning, in fact that type of thing tended to happen more in my earliest web experiences where there seemed to be more places that had issues with swearing, however I have seen a similar puritanical streak that results in this. However I've only really perceived that on major platforms as they've reached their stage of the life cycle where they can cash-in and must become investor and advertiser friendly. That arc, a more recent arc in my opinion does match what you're saying but I view that more of a change in how those specific platforms rather than the web itself operate. So it's harder now than maybe 5-10 years ago to speak your mind with little to no consequence or backlash on a major platform whose reach and influence amplifies that opinion to millions and millions of people. I think you have about the same capacity to speak your mind now as you ever did on the web, but lost the ability to use corporate machinery to do it and not also expect human beings to react to it and to even be silenced when doing so flies against the interests of the owners of the corporate machinery.
For me it kind of feels this way, because there's only a handful of sites I visit regularly, and if one of those sites is unavailable, it feels like I don't know what to do. In a sense, I am trapped in this new browsing habit that has made me get used to constant short form content that is exciting, and a lack of it is now crippling. At least replacing reddit with lemmy has helped me recover a little bit, because I find that I'm unable to stay on lemmy for hours at a time like I was on reddit.
Complaint about state of current internet/censorship of ideas? CHECK Hyperbolic comparison to slavery? CHECK "MUH FREE SPEECH"? CHECK
Nothing to see here fellas, just another person who doesn't (can't?) realize that people are not required to entertain your shitty ideas about how a society with less human rights for "others" is actually the best society.
I miss the days when the internet was populated largely by nerds aiming to make a better world
The BBS and early Internet days were dominated by people who read non-fiction books. RTFM was a common saying in those days.
does anyone else feel enslaved?
“Everything in our background has prepared us to know and resist a prison when the gates begin to close around us . . . But what if there are no cries of anguish to be heard? Who is prepared to take arms against a sea of amusements? To whom do we complain, and when, and in what tone of voice, when serious discourse dissolves into giggles? What is the antidote to a culture’s being drained by laughter?”
Neil Postman
Amusing Ourselves to DeathYou should try lemmy, it's almost everything what you describe you are missing. Jokes aside, I think that what you refer is mainstream internet, which like music is usually shitty if it's mainstream, to find the good stuff you have to take your time to dig deeper. Internet is an incredible tool and it's being used both to enslave and to free people.
I get what you mean, but I also feel like the fediverse has given many of us a return to some of the freedoms and feelings of the early internet.
I'm writing this from an instance I admin, an instance that exists, specifically to make a better world for queer and gender diverse folk. We prioritise minority safety over "federate with everyone", but that freedom to exist without institutionalised transphobia being ignored like it is on most social media platforms, with the ability for us to exist and communicate without being dogpiled by haters, and to actively remove the bigots, that is a freedom I haven't felt in a long time!
"My right to spout my ideologically inconsistent dog shit opinions is clearly more important than the rights of women to decide what to do with their own bodies. This is the worst kind of discrimination; the discrimination against ME. It's literally slavery. Woke women with blue hair challenged me on my idiotic opinions and I felt like they were being mean to me. You can't disagree with me though, because I'm a Marxist-Leninist and I throw out buzz words like planned economies. Believe me bro, trust me bro."
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You can still make websites, fam. And you can go to websites other people have made. Nothing ever changed there. You just left it behind and went onto social media.
Also if you're banned from a place, you're not in a "void that is inescapable," you're just not in that place anymore. You can go to other places. If you think not being on a particular piece of social media is a "void that is inescapable," you've decided that everything outside that social media system is a "void," and that's on you.
Cory Doctorow may have you covered; he just posted recently about his next book, which sounds like it deals with what you're talking about, and tries to find ways to fix it: https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/110809535924735163
Nice hyperbole. No, I don't feel enslaved. Give me a fucking break. Enslaved, really? Be the fucking change you want to see, if you are feeling "enslaved."
The issue with the corporate internet is that running large websites cost money. The larger the community, the more costs it takes to run. The balance between moderation and a free-for-all is delicate. Fully open allows too much spam and trolling to still remain useful, too much and people start writing in code to bypass censors. You want to go back to seedy chatrooms with a couple dozen regulars, I'm sure you can still find a few places to scratch that itch.
Federation is a great concept, and we'll see where it goes, but social media splintering from a Twitter/Meta/Reddit stranglehold to a more splintered collection of sites has both advantages and disadvantages. On one hand, when everyone is in one place, you get a lot of idiots. On the other, you have to go to multiple places to find everyone/everything you're looking for. Seems a lot of people like the ease of one-stop-shopping, so that's how we got here.
I miss it too, and even more now that I got reminded how awesome it can be to talk like this without a big american corp in the middle.
I feel like big tech has killed the fun very much. Before you had individuals building web sites, and you felt happy to see new creative sites. People didn't create them for money but to show off their skills and create fun and useful sites.
Now the web is turning into cable TV as the corps have completely destroyed it with ads. I think we need web sites and services where ads are banned and where people create things for fun.
The fediverse can help with this since many small servers allow people to share the load and the cost.
Here's 3 interrelated things that happened, I guess:
- Corporatization.
- Centralization.
- Moving away from privacy by default.
Essentially, a few companies have found a good way to make money on the Internet: gather your personal information, and use it to put advertisements in front of your eyeballs. Part of that is figuring out every little preference, trigger, and micro-identity you have so you can be fed increasingly targeted ads, and be cajoled into engaging more and more with these advertising platforms.
Are you a liberal recently single White gay man who owns a condo in a gentrified urban neighborhood in a major US city in the Pasific Northwest, who is between 25-35 and who cares deeply about social justice? Here's some suggested products specifically tailored to you, along with some communities you can join that our algorithm has found keeps people with similar characteristics on the platform for longer periods of time. Is that increased engagement due to the discovery of a warm and welcoming community or an unending flow of rage bait? Doesn't matter! If you become increasingly attached to your community, we'll sell you things that appeal to you along those lines. If you become increasingly despondent and enraged, will sell you a solution for that too.
Nobody really indexes those types of sites anymore. I suppose a lot of those site operators are more than happy to remain separate from the big tech net.
Echo chambers are what happens often when you trust personalized algorithms. You pick specifically the things you agrree with, and then later you don't get exposed to things beyond your own worldview and interests. And recently, algorithms have been proliferating all over the internet and there's a lot of discouragement from using smaller services - a lot of it has to do with how the variety of content on the bigger social media networks is not yet replicated on smaller sites. The fact that smaller sites have now become usable thanks to Reddit and Twitter going down the drain makes me feel like on one hand I feel more free now because I can explore all sorts of sites and more people will be there, but on the other hand I am intimidated by the sheer amount of alternatives and my mind can't manage with all of them at once, so I minimize my general social media usage. The fediverse is, in a way, consisting of "novel unique websites coded manually by hobbyists running servers for free".
I'm interacting with more people in a day than most people have in historical lifetimes.
I have more bosses to track their preferences. It feels like there's more people checking my career. They have more people to try to balance autonomy with direction.
There's more politicians talking past their constituency than ever before.
It just seems like the goal to reduce the suffering around me will always be a drop in the ocean.
Only to the sweet siren's call of Casamigos Brand Tequila!
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100% at least by marketing and politics.
I feel enslaved pretty much all the time. Whether you're watching TV, listening to the radio, surfing the web, or simply existing somewhere that other people exist, like going to work, there's so much hidden oppression that goes unnoticed.
Sure, the internet is a haven of free speech, but free speech isn't free, and I don't mean in the way that people have fought and died for it, though they absolutely have. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. So if you go on the internet, and talk about doing the illegal, and the police come and arrest you for plotting to do the illegal (eg, murder, or any number of traitorous acts), you had the freedom to say those things, but not the freedom from being held accountable for saying them.
On top of that, you're constantly bombarded with information, especially on the internet about what products to buy to "improve" your life. Buy buy buy. Be a good consumer of goods and services. Don't learn to do things yourself, you'll get hurt or die, just.... Pay someone else to do it, so they can do it "right". Anything from plumbing to automotive repair, to cleaning your own house, just pay someone. The electronification of everything adds DRM to most everything so now you need to spend thousands of dollars on training and tools just to fix your own damn tractor, and companies like John Deere want us to believe it's for the best to do it this way, so only certified experts do the work so it's done correctly. But who said it needs to be done how they want it done, or that their way is better?
At work, if you start speaking your mind, you'll find yourself in front of HR very quickly. You have to restrict your impulses, movements and speech to only what your co-workers will allow for, and what management wants you to be able to do, you'll get paid what they want to pay you, and be happy about it, or you'll find yourself destitute.
Yeah, we're "free" to select from a hundred horrible options of how we want to be oppressed, and slave away until we die, bombarded with "experts" who charge a small fortune just to see if that pain you have is indigestion, or pancreatitis, which will kill you in a matter of hours, or not.
We're free to live how others are willing to accept that we can. Buying our way to a mediocre existence, filled with existential dread, suffering, and little more than robbery, but because we have the illusion of choice we think that's freedom.
Everything is a system of control. Whether you buy a house, get a job, or simply look at the TV, or the world around you, you're bombarded with information on what you should do, what you should say, how you should dress, what to think, where to go, and exactly how to enslave yourself to a system you didn't create, that wasn't made for you to succeed in, that will never stop holding you down, and takes everything from you. That includes, and is not limited to, drivers licensing, billboards, advertisements, employment, bank accounts, religion, consumerism, malls, shops, the news/media, the music you listen to, and yes, especially the internet.
If you can't see that this is the case, you're probably too blind to realize it. You're being dazzled by the flowery language and rhetoric of the situation, thinking you know things, when all you know is what they want you to know. Companies are the root of the problem, deeply engrained in the capitalist dream and consumerist culture.
But hey, the weather is kinda nice today, so let's enjoy that while we can and not think about the hell that is a life in today's society.
@Foresight@lemmy.ml Not at all young man
Now the internet feels like a tool to enslave the mind with identity echo chambers and any deviation leads you to being banned and blocked shunned and silenced within a void that is inescapable
This so much. Go against the narrative and you're banned even for breaking no rules. Reddit is in the endgame of this at the moment. The admins and their power mods decide on the narrative and if you don't play along and circle jerk you get banned, often from subs you have never even been to.
Unfortunately in my short time here I'm seeing much the same, though at least the bannings aren't at the same extent yet. Give it time though.