DOJ announces arrests in ‘high-end brothel network’ used by elected officials, military officers and others
DOJ announces arrests in ‘high-end brothel network’ used by elected officials, military officers and others | CNN Politics
Why is sex work even illegal in the first place.
The underlying assumption is the same as in abortion: that women can't be entrusted with agency over their own bodies.
Because one of the biggest issues with sex work, human trafficking, gets worse with legalization. Studies across Europe have shown that countries that outlaw prostitution see a decrease in human trafficking victims while countries that legalized or decriminalized it see an increase.
Unlike with drugs, you don't just create a way to increase the supply. A very small minority of women actually want to engage in sex work. And the few who do, usually envision the high class escort lifestyle. But working in a brothel charging $100 per client isn't something many want to do.
But legalizing prostitution increases demand. Which makes it more profitable for criminals to utilize human trafficking to fill that demand.
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
One source of it.
It also doesn't help at all with protecting victims of human trafficking. Victims of human trafficking are already protected. But they don't step forward because of threats against their own well being and that of their families. Something that doesn't change just because their work technically is legal now.
Which leaves a small percentage of people who fall into financial hardship and consider prostitution as a method of overcoming said hardship. For them that might slightly improve their situation. But that still means exploiting vulnerable people and isn't people engaging in sex work because they want to. And it's even questionable if people in these scenarios would follow the legal way.
So while initially it might seem like legalizing it solves a lot of issues, it is more difficult than that.
Us laws regarding sex work are firmly based in puritanical values not out of any concern whatsoever regarding trafficking.
I reckon that even though sex work is legalised, and still caused issues, the problem is that there is no government regulation. It's one thing to say by the government that they won't prosecute sex workers, but if it's not regulated and abuse still happens then nothing changed for all intents and purposes. Best analogy I could think of is like allowing food factories to manufacture food, of course. But if there is no regulatory watchdog to monitor and test to make sure food factories are not putting random and dangerous stuff into food, then legalising an activity is pointless.
Basically, the sex industry having been legalised by many countries is unofficially a libertarian set up. Yeah, the government exists and allow sexual transactions between agreeing parties, but they're hands off on how the practitioners in the industry would conduct business. There is no government agency for sex workers to complain to if they're abused. I know people would ask, how exactly would the government regulate sex? That, I will leave to policy experts.
Edit: wording
Thanks for the data. I think the issue here is not that legal prostitution creates problems, but rather the government bodies being incompetent at protecting the victims, then.
There are other industries in which people "sell their bodies" for profit (the military and construction come to mind), and if those can be quite regulated, why can't prostitution?
I see this single study trotted out every time the subject comes up and the key factor to take into account is that this is reported trafficking. If legalized sex work means more light is shed on human trafficking that means more can be done about it.
Because one of the biggest issues with sex work, human trafficking, gets worse with legalization.
Yes, because legalizing sex work is just criminalizing sex work with extra steps. It's very easy to see an (alleged) "rise in sex trafficking" when the legalization shuffle allows politicians to all of a sudden decide what is "allowed" sex work and what is "sex trafficking."
This is why shitty studies like the one you linked is so thoroughly non-credible - it was performed without the input of the people who actually know what they are talking about - ie, sex workers themselves.
Puritan values.
My bet is on America's conservative puritan history where anything good is bad.
Also sex trafficking. At least that's the argument for keeping it illegal. :(
I believe the reason sex trafficking happens is because sex work is illegal.
Which is bollocks anyways because illegalization actually makes things less safe for all sex workers, but especially for trafficking victims who are now legally marginalized into dark number status
Old white men elected themselves under the guise of voting (gerrymandering who?) and are too embarrassed and confused to allow women the rights they have as humans. Isn't democracy silly.
I'd say the diagram of "Why is sex work illegal" and "Why is abortion illegal" is almost a perfect circle.
It's about contolling other peoples' bodies and weakening the separation of church and state.
AFAIK, it's not federally illegal, but mostly every state bans it. As how Nevada can have prostitution.
You're correct, it is not federally illegal in the US. Most things aren't. Murder isn't, either. However, traveling across state lines with a prostitute has gotten people in trouble with the federal government before.
Sex work differs from most other type of work in one very significant way - it's an industry in which capitalists cannot really control the means of production unless slavery (ie, a person can become the private property of another) is legalized and institutionalized. In other words, a sex worker - for the most part - is not as easily coerced into selling their labor to capitalists like most workers can be, and capitalists hate when people have a way to opt out of being hosts for their parasitism.
Sex work also has a way of subverting patriarchal norms upon which the status quo rests.
This is not to say that sex work is automatically a revolutionary, anti-capitalist or even "empowering" thing by itself - there are plenty of ways in which our socio-economic systems allows and enables de facto slavery without calling it slavery - but it certainly doesn't fit into the neat class hierarchy that capitalists wants society to be trapped within.
You're reading too much into it. The primary reason is puritan values. To be fair, the taboo on promiscuity is likely due to the lack of contraceptives and risks of getting sexually transmitted diseases. But access to contraceptives and education would lessen the risks these days. Though people are still creatures of habits so sex and sex work are still taboo for many without questioning why it has been in the first place.
Sex work also has a way of subverting patriarchal norms upon which the status quo rests.
cough, what? No, it reinforces those norms. Men in power get to have women at their beck and call.
This isn't a capitalist thing. Just look at how profitable the sex industry is in Nevada.
It's a "holier than thou" thing that we just haven't been able to get rid of in our society.
As much as I like calling out greed for what it is, this simply isn't one of those cases.
Wait till you learn that you can be self employed outside of sex work.
For the most parts its just christian morality still ingrained in our society.
I disagree with this entire claim. Sex workers are notorious for "having a price" to do nearly anything. I would say they are more susceptible to doing disgusting shit for money. There's a reason why there's an ongoing joke about sex workers getting shit on during their trips to dubai.
I'm assuming they're arresting the sex workers and not the politicians and military officials?
3 individuals sounds like just the pimps.
They'd probably have to confirm identities to arrest those folks, and also prove they aren't just getting name-dropped.
Just grabbing the pimps and workers is a lot easier and less case intense
Customers are not named in the affidavit, according to the agent, because
the investigation into their involvement is “active and ongoing.”these are the type of people who don't get held accountable, ever.
Accountable for what? Something that should be legal in the first place?
Do you also think marijuana users should be named and shamed?
It should be legal but it’s not. Those are government officials with clearances which put up their Driver’s licenses and credit card information on an illegal site to bang hookers. That’s the issue.
The “name and shame” argument is also meaningless. Take marijuana for example. If you’re a government official who is actively pushing for legalization and it comes up that you actually consume it… ok? Big news, you’re putting your mouth where your money is. Nobody cares, there’s no “shame” in being “named”. The issue comes when people are publicly against marijuana/prostitution and then engage in it. Those are hypocrites and should be shamed.
Heyo, I'm a heavy smoker!
Or, you know, they don't have any evidence that a crime actually was committed. These people aren't morons and know that unless they are caught exchanging money for sex they are off the hook. The fact that they have their name in this group is not even remotely enough to even charge someone with a crime, let alone get a conviction.
Ah, yes, 4-star generals in Procurement retiring to gold-plated consulting gigs in the very companies from which they ordered $1000 paper clips and congressional members using insider info from some congressional comission or other they're in for trading on their portfolios is all fine, it's paying for sex that's the real problem with holders of high level official positions in America.
The bribery potential of those officials violating the laws they're publicly supporting is the problem.
"It sure would be unfortunate if someone was to send pictures to the family, bosses and the media."
The potential for being compromised and coerced into overlooking a few budget items is one path to this graft.
The client list will likely go in the same vault as Epstein's. They're all assets now.
It does make one wonder who the real assets are.
They’re all assets now.
In the age of Trump, are those really assets anymore?
Seems like they're moreso assets of a bygone era.
I'm sure they'll be arresting and charging the politicians any and revoking security clearances any moment now...
Why would they revoke their security clearance?
Doing illegal stuff provides leverage for others to blackmail you to do more illegal stuff, like disclose state secrets
The potential for blackmail.
I really don’t understand the way the US works in regards to „bought“ sex… on the one hand prostitution is illegal (with the exception of Las Vegas parts of Nevada) and as soon as you point a camera on the paid fucking it is called PORN and it is still a multi billion dollar industry.
You guys are weird
Edit: changed the Las Vegas part
Prostitution isn't legal in Vegas. Parts of Nevada yes, but in Clark county where Las Vegas is located prostitution is illegal.
That's more insane than what the original comment pointed out.
It started a few centuries ago when this annoying group of people known as Puritans were expelled from their home country and sailed to north America.
The natives saved them from starvation and today still impose their beliefs and values on everybody. These hypocritical laws is but one example
They were not expelled from anywhere. They wanted to impose their religious doctrine on everyone else but every government keep telling them to fuck off.
The Puritans were a small sect, just looking for the religious freedom to punish the best majority of people who didn't believe the Puritans' theology. Their notion of "religious freedom" is similar to the U.S. Catholic bishops' notion. It's a violation of religious freedom when people can make their own choices, and don't have to obey a hierarchy.
I don't believe they were expelled?
I might be wrong...
Basically all the founders and settlers were groups who were too weird for Europe lol
What's weird is that loophole exists and people don't abuse it.
Like, I get the streetwalkers selling $10 BJs dont, but for "high end" organizations like this, just stick an old school camcorder in the room and let the John keep whatever grainy unidentifiable footage they make during the encounter.
If you're ever investigated, you're in the clear. If not, then no one even has to know.
Nah. A group tried this in Pensacola and got busted. Can't remember the details, but they were trying to pass prostitution off as pr0n because camera. Didn't fly.
I bet employment fraud would have a bigger jail sentence than prostitution.
It's called the "First Amendment," and you'll find it can be used to justify/unjustify all sorts of things depending on the current government in power.
Not las Vegas, rural parts of Nevada
In this day and age where nothing stays secret, how is it hard for elected officials not do stupid stuff like visiting brothels?
In this day and age, why aren't brothels and sex work legal?
Buddy, we're still working on legalizing an absurdly common plant because for a while much of the country thought it was satanic or whatever.
"In this day and age," in America, of course it's not legal yet. That is gonna take a long time.
Christianity. By demonizing it they can still use it but get to get angry at the women who work there.
because sex should not be a commodity in a healthy society.
Where else are they going to get sex? From the woman they live with that is laughably called their wife?
Look at Ted Cruz and tell me that there is a woman on the planet earth who will allow him inside her without money being exchanged.
Power makes people hungry for more
Because elected officials are above the law until someone decides to blackmail them.
If the girls were sex trafficked I have a problem with this, if they were free to do as they please, then I have no issue with this.
Since it’s illegal and probably secret from their wives, it opens the client to blackmail, which isn’t good for the public if they’re in government or military.
Regardless of whether someone was trafficked, folks in positions of power chosing to disregard the law is itself an issue.
Nothing in the article suggests it wasn't consensual, but you never know
That is why the context matters.
Who would have thought it. A brothel in Watertown. Cambridge I can see. What's next, strip clubs in Belmont, Mitt Romney's home town?
And this is illegal and newsworthy why?
It's because when people in highly-sensitive positions of power do things that they want to keep secret, they become a security risk by opening themselves up to the threat of blackmail.
Whether or not they should want to keep their whoring secret is a different matter between them and their families and their voters. I don't have a censorious take on that, I'm just telling you why it's a security risk and is newsworthy.
When will the government do something I actually want them to do? What a fuckin shit.
I bet Rudy was there
He'll be leaking black goo for sure
This has been around for a long time. Used to just be 'escorts' but it doesn't surprise me it's continually far reaching
Fingers crossed that this is a non-partisan action.
I can guarantee no partisan will be named or charged.
Regular reminder that we know of a wealthy elite pedophile ring, who ran it and at least one person who was victimized by it, but not one of the wealthy elite pedophiles who patronized it has even been formally accused. This information is available. It exists. We have chosen as a society to give these child rapists a pass on their child rape.
Which part is illegal?
Wait, what? (͡•_ ͡• )
That should make the prosecutors jobs much easier.
Wow, imagine willingly providing that information to what you know is a criminal organization. The people who signed up are obviously a major security hazard to whoever they work for.
Yeah. This is the real issue here.
Sex work should be legal and the morality discussion here is about people lying to their spouses and if anybody is being forced into sex work… all interesting topics.
But anybody implicated in this situation needs all security clearances and access dropped because they are high risk morons.
100%. I wouldn’t even give all that information to my online pharmacist and I need some of those medications to survive.
Seriously. How dumb do you need to be to be in an actual high ranking (government) position and willingly give up all that info to an even slightly shady organisation? Never mind an illegal prostitution network you are sure is both illegal and easily blackmailable.
The ease of prosecuting is directly proportional to how wealthy and influential the accused is.
Remember, it's a legal system ... not a justice system ... you can easily distinguish the difference by how wealthy you are (or are not)
Sad but true
Could be a honey pot. Either the guys running it wanted to use the info to blackmail the clientele or sell the info to foreign intelligence
Or they use it for further identity fraud to open new locations.
I'm guessing it was that one P411 website or whatever. That site has been in the news in the past. It baffles me that people would willingly comply with such invasive identification requirements for something that's illegal. I get the idea behind it is to try and prove that you're not a cop/murdery type of criminal in order to protect the sex workers, but... yeah, lol.
Not really, because the people who made the survey are probably smart enough to not include anything about exchanging money for sex. Basically, there's nothing illegal about filling out a survey about who you are and what are your likes or dislikes. There's also nothing illegal for someone to pay another person for their time.
So no mention of exchanging money for sex and it's incredibly hard to prosecute.
No idea if you’re right or not but that’s not what I meant. I meant they don’t have to hunt down the johns, the johns already provided all the possible info the prosecutors would need to find them.
Criminals and criminals masquerading as religions love to get blackmail on their clientele/members, it's probably the more lucrative part of their enterprise, and it keeps those members/clientele loyal, because who wants their nasty ass secrets leaked out or sold to their enemies?
None of that's illegal, aside from the card info it's actually a lot of the things a trustworthy sex worker will be asking you for as a background check before agreeing to meet you.