Why does lemmy seem better for engagement and conversation then (I meant than) Mastodon
On average if I make a post on Mastodon whether I get a comment, and a continued conversation is either hit or miss.
On Lemy if I make a post it's almost insane the probalility of actual comments, conversation and discusion with many users that can occur in a single post compared to Mastodon.
Is this because of the communities on Lemy making things more seamless and simple to find content I might want to consume and discuss as a user? Because say I join a Mastodon server, nothings really organized by topics or anything. Sure there are hashtags but, the user would have to know to search a specific hashtag and there's the chance of even missing somes post that may be related even if the topic is similar to a hashtag searched for.
Who knows, what are Lemy users thoughts on this?
I know one thing, if you can make a good platform, then you can get great conversations in anything that people are interested in. It seems to me Lemy is the best at this for most users. While on Mastodon, while i'm not saying I hadn't had people comment on my posts, it seems less likely then Lemmy. I don't think I made a single post where no one has commented atleast something on Lemy.
Yep. I've been here for one day and I'm already talking in conversations. Took me two weeks to get anywhere on Mastodon. (And exactly the same on Reddit and Twitter before... the incidents.)
But this is also why Kbin is the best technology, combining both platforms.
Can you explain this a little further? I was on kbin originally, but jumped to Lemmy after boost came out. From what I've seen they're more or less the same experience, but I'm not super educated on the intricacies of the Fediverse
I had similar thoughts as OP then it took me some time to realise this. Microblogging is when you just need to say something but don't care to have a discussion about it.
Because Lemmy is a forum type of site, which is designed for discussions; whereas Mastodon is microblogging, which is designed for users to follow people they are interested in.
Lemmy (like Reddit) is about topics, and communities are formed around them.
Mastodon (like Twitter/X) is user-centric, and discussions are formed around them.
They are simply two different approaches to the social component.
The nature of these social networks makes one more useful for already known users/organizations and less for the common user. In fact, if you want to follow a particular person, Mastodon is more useful, but if you want to talk about some topic in general, Lemmy will always be superior.
This. Additionally Mast/Twitter/bsky is anxiety inducing. You want to post and comment and get a following so that when you want to share a cool 3d print, or a good shit post, it'll actually get seen. So there's always this pressure to post something insightful and funny and in-group so that you get followers. Otherwise it's zero engagement. On bsky specifically there's a setting that's on by default where comments with 0 likes don't get shown. So unless you have followers who like your stuff you'll literally never be seen.
Here you'll usually get at least one upvote or down vote.
I guess that's particularly what I meant. While mastodon you'd have to build up a following to get anywhere near even the amount of comments on this post right here. Unless you get lucky with one or two posts which can happen, I known an owner of a smaller Mastodon instance (with more then 300 users so not the smallest of small instances but still small.) to manage to get over 100 likes and over 50 boosts on a post, and when they did they linked to it and was like, "ha, see you can get traction on Mastodon."
I think the language you just used answered your own question: "manage to get". Those platforms, with likes and retweets, boosts (and to some degree, Karma) are competitive, everyone vying for increased following. Some might follow, comment, retweet or boost genuinely. Most are, at least subconsciously, looking to expand their personal influence.
That attitude obviously also exists here, but it's tempered by the lack of an endgame. It's harder to become Internet famous without a scorecard.
I view Mastodon as a publishing platform. You follow some creator, and they post stuff. You can comment on it, boost it, maybe others will comment on that but probably not. It's not for discussions, just like twitter.
By contrast Lemmy and other redditlikes are super forums. Discussion is the point.
I love sorting by new, I kinda wish it was a defualt thing, while on Mastodon posts seem to automatically sort by new, yet I seem to get less interaction in comments on various posts on Mastodon.
If logged in, you can change the default sorting method and post scope in your user settings. Depending on your interface this option should reflect when you open it (works and can be set in Jerboa for example).
Hot's my favourite because I get a good mix of posts people on "New" upvoted and popular posts of the day.
Mastodon doesn't have a sorting algorithm to choose, it's always sorted by new (with the little difference that boosts count but still).
I think the thing is that Lemmy users sort by all kinds of algorithms. You have the new sorter that start the conversation and keep in it when others react to it. But no one would react if all sorted by new and that's kind of the fact on mastodon.
It seems to depend a lot on the topic tbh, for example cross stitch is more active on Lemmy whereas knitting is more active on Mastodon. Memes, Lemmy. Gamedev, Mastodon. etc etc. I end up cross-posting a lot from Mastodon to Lemmy just to cover all my bases 😄
Your post kind of dismisses hashtags but given that they're basically what all of Mastodon runs on, I'd very much recommend using them. Both to build your own follow list and feeds, as well as in your posts to reach other people.
And don't be afraid to ask for a boost if you have something to say that you think is relevant to a much wider audience.
I don't know, but I'm about a year into Mastodon and haven't found a single person to follow and interact with on a regular basis. I signed up during the surge so they specifically told me to go for the masto.a1 instance because it was the only one not overloaded, and I can see why. Currently I use my profile there as a kind of quasi-storage, as it's not like it doesn't work.
I’ve got nothing new to say except that I have tried Mastodon several times and it hasn’t stuck to me. Very difficult to get any interactions at all, let alone conversations.
I’ve got nothing new to say except that I have tried Mastodon several times and it hasn’t stuck to me. Very difficult to get any interactions at all, let alone conversations.
People could advertise this as feature about using lemmy, that the probalility of getting comments are pretty high. particularly on Mastodon, because it's certainly something people are looking for, after coming from platforms like Youtube that keep hiding your posts. I think it's mostly the ease of use with the communities.
Because on Mastodon, while a instance hosted may have a dedicated topic, posts aren't typically organized. and it's harder to find posts that interests you if people either use different hash tags then what you search for, and the added fact that you have to constantly search, while once you join a Lemmy community you just scroll the post feed In said community.