South Korean Farmers Threaten to Release 2 Million Dogs in Protest of Dog Meat Ban

This is hard because yes dogs are awesome.

But so are cows, and pigs.

I'm no vegan, but It's interesting that the revulsion line for so many is dogs rather than fellow land mammals, land creatures, or something more distinct than a mammal you find particularly cute.

I'd argue the moral judgment here largely comes from people who just plain abstain from pointing that same moral judgment to sentient creatures they do eat. A cow or a pig is no less an individual than a dog.

As for me, I am eagerly awaiting lab grown meat becoming more available as an end to our species' barbarism. Usually all I hear back is disgust at the concept. Give it a chance, for the sake of all the creatures we breed to torture and kill. If we can grow animal protein that tastes the same, that's a win for everyone.

We bred dogs specifically to love people and to be expressive in an innately human way, so it feels wrong to kill them. Cows, pigs, chickens, sheep, etc. were bred for food. There’s less betrayal if the idea was always to eat them.
- Cows are not bred only to supply meat, they supply labor to till fields and provide manure for crops. The dog breeds used for food in those regions are bred specifically for food, no different than current domesticated animals. Its the lack of that understanding and diminishing the work that other domesticated animals do that cause the problem. Hell there are plenty of studies that show pigs are smarter than dogs, we use them for organ transplants and stuff. You can legitamately argue pigs are more innately human than dogs are.
- I really appreciate your usage of the word "betrayal" here, I think it's incredibly apt.
  but do you think this makes any moral difference? or that it would matter at all to the being having their throat slashed or thrashing in a gas chamber?
- What does betrayal have to do with the morality of killing something?
  
  It's either right or wrong to kill something if you don't have to for survival.
  
  If you think killing dogs is wrong, then killing cows or pigs should also be wrong.
- Sorry you're not cute enough, now go into your dungeon, because i really like factory meat.
- It's more. Your farm goat is your friend. That wild goat you caught as a baby will be more like a wolf than a dog. The point is really that we didn't just breed cows to be fatter than previous cows, but also to be nicer to humans just like dogs.
I made a comment like that to my younger sister when I was just out of high school and you'd think that I had just burned the Bible in front of my father or something.
- As a rule, most Americans prefer the bliss of ignorance.
I’d argue the moral judgment here largely comes from people who just plain abstain from pointing that same moral judgment to sentient creatures they do eat. A cow or a pig is no less an individual than a dog.

so the issue isn't whether cows or dogs are individuals.
- This issue is about that, as people are upset about cruelty to dogs but just put blinders on for cows.
  
  No person anyone would consider sane would advocate on behalf of saving watermelons, as they have no emotions like fear or sense of self-preservation. Most westerners know intimately that dogs do, but we choose not to dwell on the similar plight of cows, mostly because of the long standing tradition of eating cows. Tradition as always is an idiot thing.
  
  So yeah, the issue here does revolve around these creatures being sentient individuals, and our erratic recognition of that among the species we choose to consume.
I’m no vegan

why not?
- Doesn't taste nearly as good, doesn't satiate the pallette. And yes I've tried all the impossibles and faux stuff multiple times because I like to try new things.
  
  That said, I'm completely for alternative routes to meat, and will give them every opportunity as they mature to break my bad habit. Plant based meat just isn't an adequate nicotine patch for such things, at least not yet.
Case and point: affluent white women go goo-goo gah-gah over doggies so Westerners immediately revere them above other animals.

It's cognitive dissonance at its finest, but I don't expect more from meat-eaters.

While I support the goal of ending dog meat, I think this is approaching it from the wrong side. Don't attack the supply, attack the demand. All of these dog farmers make their living by selling their product to people who have chosen to buy dog meat. Many of them still want this, and will resort to black markets if it gets banned.

We're actually on a good path with it right now- they are only able to discuss a ban because it's fallen out of favor with people. In particular, the younger generations are turning away from it. A marketing campaign against dog meat will face much less resistance than a ban.

I have no sympathy for these farmers or their livelihoods

Yes but it's pretty much the same industry that farms millions of pigs and chickens here as well 😐
- My lack of sympathy extends to most industry farmers and ranchers in the West
- Great! They'll have more room for more pigs and chickens then.
same, if your industry is slashing throats and corralling living sentient beings into gas chambers, you can fuck right off.
- While "gas chambers" rightfully invokes Nazi imagery, it isn't necessarily a cruel method of slaughter. If we assume they use nitrogen gas, the animals will fall asleep/pass out without ever knowing that anything is wrong.
  
  Of course, that doesn't help if your point wasn't about cruelty but meat as a whole. It also doesn't help that this is an extremely rare method of slaughter, because profits.

Well I guess this answers my question of whether there were really that many people still eating dogs. Apparently it's not as rare as people made it to be.

That's their threat? If you don't let us butcher these dogs we'll let them go?

As much as I don't want the dogs to be butchered, having two million stray dogs could cause problems.
Unsocialized dogs who now have to find food for the first time in their lives roaming the streets and countryside will cause havoc to everyone around them.

So...terrorism if economic demands are not met?

When I lived in Incheon, I got on the bus to Seoul in front of a dog meat breeding place whatever you call it. Those sounds of dog misery was a huge reason I left the country. Absolutely brutal and barbaric. Glad to know that's finally changing.

Damn this is some crazy reporting from countries that have gigantic pig factories. Dogs and pigs are so similar 😢

I don’t think the answer is an outright ban of dog meat; does this address cruelty against farm animals, or is it a feel good political move from the current ruling party? Korea loves pork, pigs are treated similarly, and I don’t see any calls for reform there.

I’ve never eaten dog meat but it’s not my place to judge. If the issue is inhumane conditions, then address those. The issue is not consumption of dog meat.

I live in South Korea and I think it's safe to say that more than 90% of the population is at least not in favor of it. The only real demand is very old and few. It got harder and harder to find places that serve(disgusting) them, to the point where you can't really have them unless you really, really search for them.

This is not as controversial of a topic as you might think here. Some online trolls are actively in favor of them because of their fuck animal right activists mindset but other than them, most people find it disgusting to the point where public display of butchered dogs, which were very common like a decade ago, is pretty much gone at this point. I don't argue with any of the people who are saying well dogs are no different than pigs or cows. I can, but I don't. They will be banned at some point, possibly and hopefully pretty soon. It's to the point where arguing about it won't affect the course nor the speed of the change.

Do it. You won't, pussies

Do it. You won’t, bitches

FTFY

What is the environmental effect of dog meat farming vs American farm animal meat?

I was going to say that I think it's worse since they are carnivorous, but then I remembered that dogs eat kibble as well as meat. Wikipedia says that they can consume starch. Some rando dog-food company claims that wheat isn't a filler, but adds vitamins and minerals. Idk about all that (not a dog owner) but I imagine that farmed dogs are probably fed the cheapest, most generic kibble available

So... ?

Interesting question, though. Personally just hoping for lab grown meat to become a thing
I don’t know tbh. I do know that cattle is insanely bad and other meats are slightly less bad (it’s not very efficient to heavily deforest our planet for animal feed, like what’s been going on in the Amazon, for example)
They are smaller which means less food waste and can also be kept closer to the point of consumption. But the other person points out their diet is omnivorous rather than just eating grass. If I had to guess I'd say it's maybe around that of rabbit, which is better than beef but worse than chicken.